CBC Article - Mom, daughter kicked off Air Canada plane, not told they're banned
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If the FA tells me to take my assigned seat I go to that seat. If that seat is occupied then person in my seat gets asked for their BP to confirm whether we both have a claim to the seat (very rare but it happened to me). If the person sitting in my seat claims they wont move because they need to sit with family (or any other reason they wont take their assigned seat), I will hit the FA call button and let them handle the situation.
What appears to have happened is that numerous seat changes occurred on the flight and the 22 year old got into an altercation with the FA because the 22 year old didn't understand that they can't refuse a request of the FA. Further mom and daughter thought they could win a Mexican standoff only to find out that police will be called to get them off the airplane. Finally, Mom and Daughter were probably made aware of the ban but didn't think that AC would actually enforce it. Mom and Daughter then book tickets on Lufthansa which resulted in flying on an AC codeshare FRA-YUL. They go to board at FRA and doc check confirms they are banned from flying on AC.
CBC reporters generally do their homework. That said the consumer affairs reporters will not fact check the poop out of the person's story, nor will they throw the person under the bus.
What appears to have happened is that numerous seat changes occurred on the flight and the 22 year old got into an altercation with the FA because the 22 year old didn't understand that they can't refuse a request of the FA. Further mom and daughter thought they could win a Mexican standoff only to find out that police will be called to get them off the airplane. Finally, Mom and Daughter were probably made aware of the ban but didn't think that AC would actually enforce it. Mom and Daughter then book tickets on Lufthansa which resulted in flying on an AC codeshare FRA-YUL. They go to board at FRA and doc check confirms they are banned from flying on AC.
CBC reporters generally do their homework. That said the consumer affairs reporters will not fact check the poop out of the person's story, nor will they throw the person under the bus.
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I would like to BAN Air Canada from my Airlines that Provides Good Service list as well as Airlines would not Drag Passengers off Plane and Ban them for Life List.. Anyone here have any suggestion? Also, anyone have insights on how to tell Air Canada that they are effectively banned by me?
Be sure to wait at least two weeks before telling them.
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...Finally, Mom and Daughter were probably made aware of the ban but didn't think that AC would actually enforce it. Mom and Daughter then book tickets on Lufthansa which resulted in flying on an AC codeshare FRA-YUL. They go to board at FRA and doc check confirms they are banned from flying on AC.
The poor passenger would have nowhere to go. Perhaps they'd have time to work on legal filings.
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Found this while reading the comments on the article on reddit, but appears the daughter involved made a (now deleted) post on reddit prior to it making the news cycle:
My mom and I were traveling back home to Montreal, Canada from Bucharest, Romania (we are Canadians) on an Air Canada Rouge (flight AC 1929). Our flight was scheduled to leave at 1:05 pm Romania time. We arrived at the airport with plenty of time to spare. My seat was 36E (middle seat) and my mom 28D. When I arrived to my seat, there was a woman with a child, she said she needed the seat for the child. I did not argue I said ok and went to sit next to my mom and thought I would tell the flight attendant to help me with my seat. At 1:45 we were still in the plane, hadn’t taken off and people were still coming into the plane. No one had come to the seat next to my mom’s so I assumed it wasn’t occupied and I stayed there. We had been in the plane already for a while so at that point my mom went to the bathroom. A flight attendant then came to me after my mom left and said I needed to move. There were 3 seats in front of ours all occupied by 3 men. Turns out, one of the men was in the wrong seat and my seat was his seat. So I said ok I will move but where, since there is a child in my seat. So I said let’s wait a minute for my mom to come out of the bathroom and see where I can go. During this time, the man who was supposed to be in my seat did not want to take his seat (the one I’m in) because it’s a middle seat. So then the flight attendants and the man began to argue. The man only spoke French so I told the flight attendant I can translate (because he only spoke English). At that point the flight attendant got visibly angry at me and started asking me why my mom isn’t coming out, is she sick, what’s going on, why is she taking so long and that they will throw us out of the plane because she is sick. My mom had been in there for about 5 minutes and yes she was in there for number 2 but we had been waiting for so long on that plane already, if you have to go you have to go what can I say. So I went and knocked and told my mom to get out fast. She came, and at that point nothing else mattered. The flight attendants told us we had to leave the plane that we caused too long of a delay and we had to leave now. We were confused I mean what is going on. They called the police who then came to escort us out.
This was 6 hours ago. Ever since, we have been trying to get on a plane back home to Montreal. In Bucharest, there is no Air Canada counter. We called Air Canada 5 times they said there is nothing they can do. We called Lufthansa (that is who we booked our ticket through) they said Air Canada is the ones we need to call. They also said that in the online report that was made, we were kicked out because we caused a 2 hour delay of the plane (???!!!). I mean it’s ridiculous how can they lie like this? Our whole ordeal took 10 minutes maximum. The flight had already been delayed. When I called Air Canada they said yes we checked in very early compared to the last person that checked in so it’s suspicious that we could cause such a delay in that time but they can’t do anything because it’s our word against the managements’.
We are stuck in Bucharest, with very limited money and definitely not with the 4 000$ we need to get home (right now it’s 2k per person to leave within the next 2 weeks).
What can we do? Will we get reimbursed if we book a flight? We really just need to get home. Has anyone ever gone through this before? I can’t believe something like this would happen.
EDIT:
I understand that me not getting the flight attendant as soon as I saw someone was in my seat is my mistake. But that’s not why the entire plane was delayed, people were still checking in at the schedule departure time. Bucharest is a horrible airport, check in opens late because of lack of counters and it is always a huge mess.
Is it really enough to kick someone off a plane because of a seat issue? Or not even want to put them on a different flight?
This was 6 hours ago. Ever since, we have been trying to get on a plane back home to Montreal. In Bucharest, there is no Air Canada counter. We called Air Canada 5 times they said there is nothing they can do. We called Lufthansa (that is who we booked our ticket through) they said Air Canada is the ones we need to call. They also said that in the online report that was made, we were kicked out because we caused a 2 hour delay of the plane (???!!!). I mean it’s ridiculous how can they lie like this? Our whole ordeal took 10 minutes maximum. The flight had already been delayed. When I called Air Canada they said yes we checked in very early compared to the last person that checked in so it’s suspicious that we could cause such a delay in that time but they can’t do anything because it’s our word against the managements’.
We are stuck in Bucharest, with very limited money and definitely not with the 4 000$ we need to get home (right now it’s 2k per person to leave within the next 2 weeks).
What can we do? Will we get reimbursed if we book a flight? We really just need to get home. Has anyone ever gone through this before? I can’t believe something like this would happen.
EDIT:
I understand that me not getting the flight attendant as soon as I saw someone was in my seat is my mistake. But that’s not why the entire plane was delayed, people were still checking in at the schedule departure time. Bucharest is a horrible airport, check in opens late because of lack of counters and it is always a huge mess.
Is it really enough to kick someone off a plane because of a seat issue? Or not even want to put them on a different flight?
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And that's probably not the entire story either. Police would not be called if the passengers would have left when ordered.
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From the discussion on reddit:
The airline also said that it sent Constantin and Paun information about their ban shortly after they were ordered off the Bucharest flight. However, that information — in the form of a letter — was sent by regular mail, and Constantin said it hasn't yet arrived.
So, AC sent a letter - probably to their home address - to passengers AC left abroad. I'm the only one who considers this an improper way to inform the banned passengers? Especially knowing that due to the TATLcartel JV the passengers may likely book a ticket to an AC flight? That said, I'm surprised that after this experience they didn't fly AF via CDG.
The airline also said that it sent Constantin and Paun information about their ban shortly after they were ordered off the Bucharest flight. However, that information — in the form of a letter — was sent by regular mail, and Constantin said it hasn't yet arrived.
So, AC sent a letter - probably to their home address - to passengers AC left abroad. I'm the only one who considers this an improper way to inform the banned passengers? Especially knowing that due to the TATL
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From the reddit article:
The passenger seems so charitable and nice to have moved from a middle seat in row 36
to a much worse seat with nothing in return. a seat right next to her mother. Wait, what?
All on her own, without involving a flight attendant to do their job and work on any alleged initial seating issues.
The passenger seems so charitable and nice to have moved from a middle seat in row 36
to
All on her own, without involving a flight attendant to do their job and work on any alleged initial seating issues.
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Here's the removeddit link. Too bad it doesn't archive the original text
https://www.removeddit.com/r/travel/...ight_stuck_in/
Nothing terribly interesting
https://www.removeddit.com/r/travel/...ight_stuck_in/
Nothing terribly interesting
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I don't understand how people in a financial position to afford air travel can not understand the concept of "assigned seats". Unless that is a disingenuous offering, knowing and not caring.
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If the Reddit post is correct and its a BIG IF, this was much ado about nothing. The already delayed flight plus the time for the cop to show up and report to be made has probably been all lumped together as a two hour delay caused by the pax. If other passengers corroborate what these two ladies have said, AC will be on the hook again. They are already on the hook for denied boarding - sending the letter by regular mail to their home address when they are out of the country according to ACs own records. And they had the pax contact info plus they called the call center.
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From the reddit article:
The passenger seems so charitable and nice to have moved from a middle seat in row 36
to a much worse seat with nothing in return. a seat right next to her mother. Wait, what?
All on her own, without involving a flight attendant to do their job and work on any alleged initial seating issues.
The passenger seems so charitable and nice to have moved from a middle seat in row 36
to
All on her own, without involving a flight attendant to do their job and work on any alleged initial seating issues.
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Like the other thread where AC staff with kids could not understand the concept of assigned Y seating on a employee pass and insisted and got themselves into J. Based on them badgering the GA, maybe they should also have been banned from AC. Same standard, right ?
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If they were an employee they should lose their pass privileges. If they were a buddy, their employee friend should.
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