briantoronto

YYZ-RTM in a 220 would work very well for me.

CZAMFlyer

While airlines do indeed time their departures to conform to the connections and availability of slot times you allude to, in a heavily O&D business market such as HKG, airlines certainly consider the convenience to their customers. An evening departure time from Hong Kong allows a full day of work prior to going to the airport, which is convenient and necessary for many the premium customers in that particular market.

jackmeister

looks like YVR is very underserved looking at the wishlist

shadowspar

I hear you on this. I guess AC judges that the business case isn't there, but it still seems bizarre to me that there's nothing up-island year round at all. Not Manchester, not Edinburgh...nothing.

Yeah, on my upcoming trip to Manchester I'm doing YYZ-BRU-MAN to avoid LHR as well.

jackmeister

I'd vote for the one with AQD AQM and easy connections in SIN on this route

Again, as I discussed in another thread, if AC want paying J flyers (the ones that sustain these flights) they will have to utilize the flight times to get red-eye flights (like CX865, AC33, AC37 BR9 etc) ex-YVR. Good luck trying to win over SQ passengers from SIN so they'll have to focus on North America passengers and their schedules. Wasting essentially 2 full working days to get to Asia ex-YVR is a blasphemy

Jasper2009

Fair enough. I'd be more than happy if I were wrong.

But IMO those are two very different routes / markets:

1) The ecoomic feasibility of a 5300-6000 miles flight is very different from an ULH flight of ~8000 miles

2) There are only a handful of flights between Asia and South Africa (and if you exclude mainland Chinese airlines, options are really rather limited), so capacity growth isn't overly surprising. Compare that to North America - South Africa which literally has many dozen routing options on more than a dozen airlines.

3) This isnt about whether there is sufficient demand (there certainly is), but whether there are sufficient pax willing to pay a premium for a non-stop flight / whether there's a business case for AC to fly to JNB/CPT non-stop vs. just feeding pax to SA via its TATL JV partners

But I'd be very happy if AC found a way to make that route work.

lsquare

I have to agree with you on this. I really love those red-eye flights even if I'm not flying across the Pacific for work.

sydneyracquelle

codfather

Jazz flew this route many years ago. Unfortunately, they cancelled it due to lack of demand.

CZAMFlyer

I'd echo many of the routes ex-YVR described above...but the thread specifies that we list the routes we wished AC operated, and I'd rather fly to IST on TK, SIN on SQ, ZRH on LX, etc.

songsc

Smiley90

But... I'd rather fly YVR-IST/ZRH/SIN on AC than on the currently -nothing-.

edit: seasonal edelweiss flight to ZRH doesn't count.

Jasper2009

Interesting. Given the strict curfews at many (Western) European airports, such flights would need to depart in the early morning.

E.g.
depart YYZ 7.00a.m.
arrive FRA 9.00p.m.

To me such a flight sounds like pure hell.

songsc

monkai