AC staff at SFO allegedly asked a 12yr old to remove her hijab before boarding
Aug 6, 2019, 4:22 pm
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Aug 6, 2019, 4:23 pm
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I thought it was against the rules, too. So I asked someone we both know who is familiar with the rules. He explained that TSA check IDs before security in the US, therefore gate checks of ID are not necessary; this is different from “not performed” or “not common.” He went on to explain that flights to Canada require a “DOCS OK” check prior to boarding the aircraft. This check, as many of you already know, doesn’t necessarily have to happen at the gate; it can happen at the check-in counter. Therefore, it’s entirely possible that my ID was not checked at the gate and that it wasn’t against the rules.
For anyone who remains skeptical, feel free to visit https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html — the “Identification — International Flight” section is the relevant one.
Also, @HerpaYvr — I lol’d
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Aug 6, 2019, 4:44 pm
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I thought it was against the rules, too. So I asked someone we both know who is familiar with the rules. He explained that TSA check IDs before security in the US, therefore gate checks of ID are not necessary; this is different from “not performed” or “not common.” He went on to explain that flights to Canada require a “DOCS OK” check prior to boarding the aircraft. This check, as many of you already know, doesn’t necessarily have to happen at the gate; it can happen at the check-in counter. Therefore, it’s entirely possible that my ID was not checked at the gate and that it wasn’t against the rules.
For anyone who remains skeptical, feel free to visit https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html — the “Identification — International Flight” section is the relevant one.
Aug 6, 2019, 4:44 pm
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'Security' seems to be invoked very rapidly whenever an airline employee isn't getting their way and without a statement from an actual government agency I wouldn't attach much meaning to it beyond "you (the passenger) are annoying me".
Once I was boarding a flight from YVR and when I encountered those FAs who stand at the entrance of the aircraft to tell infrequent flyers which aisle they should turn down, I said, as I have done hundreds of times, my seat number and that I knew where it was. Within 15 seconds I was being threatened with arrest for security violations and not showing my boarding pass.
Anything can be "security" when an airline employee needs to feel empowered to bully someone.
Once I was boarding a flight from YVR and when I encountered those FAs who stand at the entrance of the aircraft to tell infrequent flyers which aisle they should turn down, I said, as I have done hundreds of times, my seat number and that I knew where it was. Within 15 seconds I was being threatened with arrest for security violations and not showing my boarding pass.
Anything can be "security" when an airline employee needs to feel empowered to bully someone.
Aug 6, 2019, 5:12 pm
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I'm pretty sure somewhere in Air Canada's tarriff it states something like
"You must contact Air Canada Reservations if you plan on bringing a hajib on board with you, even if you will not be using it."
"You must contact Air Canada Reservations if you plan on bringing a hajib on board with you, even if you will not be using it."
Aug 6, 2019, 5:13 pm
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'Security' seems to be invoked very rapidly whenever an airline employee isn't getting their way and without a statement from an actual government agency I wouldn't attach much meaning to it beyond "you (the passenger) are annoying me".
Once I was boarding a flight from YVR and when I encountered those FAs who stand at the entrance of the aircraft to tell infrequent flyers which aisle they should turn down, I said, as I have done hundreds of times, my seat number and that I knew where it was. Within 15 seconds I was being threatened with arrest for security violations and not showing my boarding pass.
Anything can be "security" when an airline employee needs to feel empowered to bully someone.
Once I was boarding a flight from YVR and when I encountered those FAs who stand at the entrance of the aircraft to tell infrequent flyers which aisle they should turn down, I said, as I have done hundreds of times, my seat number and that I knew where it was. Within 15 seconds I was being threatened with arrest for security violations and not showing my boarding pass.
Anything can be "security" when an airline employee needs to feel empowered to bully someone.
Aug 6, 2019, 6:00 pm
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However, for immigration purposes Air Canada and all other airlines operating international flights from the US do a verification on boarding to confirm that they are actually transporting the authorized passenger or they would risk fines for transporting someone without proper authorization. Some checks are more cursory than others, but it would be pretty dumb to just let anyone with a valid boarding pass on to an international flight without confirming that they meet the entry requirements and the only way to do that is matching the id to boarding pass.
Aug 6, 2019, 6:04 pm
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Aug 6, 2019, 6:20 pm
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I would like to add to my earlier comments. I have now seen the interview with the girl in question and now do think why the AC agent wanted to see her face without the Hijab. She had her passport picture without the hijab. Now if this was a 12 year old girl and traveling with a group That means an escorted adult is with the group and to remove her from the group and do it individually is simply not acceptable. Furthermore privacy is of paramount importance and if she has requested as she says in her interview then it should have been done in private.
The main purpose is verification of the passenger and the documents and hence I also do not see how it cannot be done without asking her to remove her Hijab. The videos of her wearing the Hijab and traveling through is also online and you can see her complete face in the videos.
The main purpose is verification of the passenger and the documents and hence I also do not see how it cannot be done without asking her to remove her Hijab. The videos of her wearing the Hijab and traveling through is also online and you can see her complete face in the videos.
Aug 6, 2019, 6:26 pm
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Verification of name — boarding pass
- 5 (1) An air carrier must, before issuing a boarding pass to any person who appears to be 18 years of age or older, verify the identity of the person by comparing their name with the names of listed persons.
I’ll also take this opportunity to add to my previous comments; if the story is true, this is harassment, pure and simple.
Aug 6, 2019, 7:27 pm
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The legal requirement, per the law I linked to upthread, is:
I’ll also take this opportunity to add to my previous comments; if the story is true, this is harassment, pure and simple.
I’ll also take this opportunity to add to my previous comments; if the story is true, this is harassment, pure and simple.
Aug 6, 2019, 7:43 pm
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