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AC 18 TPE-YVR delayed 18 hours 08 Jul 2019

AC 18 TPE-YVR delayed 18 hours 08 Jul 2019

Old Jul 8, 19, 12:04 am
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AC 18 TPE-YVR delayed 18 hours 08 Jul 2019

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Um, eeeek.



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Old Jul 8, 19, 12:06 am
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So the crew timed out? Am I reading that right?

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Old Jul 8, 19, 12:11 am
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1 View Post
So the crew timed out? Am I reading that right?
Hopefully someone can explain this info from EF.

I also notice on EF that AC 18 has a reliability of 63%. AC 17 is even more impressive with 49% reliability.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 1:38 am
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At the airport, it was explained to me that the "Chief" Pilot was ill and that they had to fly another in.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 4:39 am
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Originally Posted by VancouverFly View Post
At the airport, it was explained to me that the "Chief" Pilot was ill and that they had to fly another in.
18 hours to fly in another pilot seems like a very good timeline
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Old Jul 8, 19, 7:19 am
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Air Canada and its missed opportunities. With the labour issues at EVA and customer base willing to consider alternatives, AC has dropped the ball.
All it had to do was provide a reasonable OTP, and it would have gained market share. Yet, no consistent improvement over the past few months.
Everyone who flies this route knows that AC is not reliable and best avoided.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer View Post
Everyone who flies this route knows that AC is not reliable and best avoided.
I suppose that's why AC's fares on this route are so low.

No idea how it can possibly be profitable for them.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 8:58 am
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well with AC having the worst on time performance in NA, does that mean ever route and not just TPE has low fares? Clearly AC does not think On TIme Performance is an issue, because its doing nothing about it.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer View Post
Air Canada and its missed opportunities. With the labour issues at EVA and customer base willing to consider alternatives, AC has dropped the ball.
All it had to do was provide a reasonable OTP, and it would have gained market share. Yet, no consistent improvement over the past few months.
Everyone who flies this route knows that AC is not reliable and best avoided.
Have flown route r/t 3 times in 2 years and no delays of any significance, IOW,10-15 minutes.
Tried EVA as well , 'Nice', bigtime.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by VancouverFly View Post
At the airport, it was explained to me that the "Chief" Pilot was ill and that they had to fly another in.
If this is the case, I suspect one of the inbound pilots on AC17 was assigned to fly this flight home, and IIRC they need a minimum of 18 hours rest to do so.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by acysb87 View Post
Have flown route r/t 3 times in 2 years and no delays of any significance, IOW,10-15 minutes.
Tried EVA as well , 'Nice', bigtime.

I was just thinking that in the past 12 months I have flown this route 3 times with no delays. Not a fan of their boarding procedures, but never delayed. Eighteen hours, another free stay at the new Hilton and meals, I will take that
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Old Jul 8, 19, 7:22 pm
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To rub salt in AC's performance wounds on this route, the BR and CI reliability is like clockwork, and they regularly taxi out line astern in the wee hours of the morning and chase each other nose-to-tail all the way to Taiwan.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 9:42 pm
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How long do pilots stay in TPE? I vaguely remember for AC FAs spend one night for long haul flights while pilots spend two nights. If its indeed the pilot being sick then can they use the pilot from the day before?

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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by songsc View Post
How long do pilots stay in TPE? I vaguely remember for AC FAs spend one night for long haul flights while pilots spend two nights. If it’s indeed the pilot being sick then can they use the pilot from the day before?

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Hey, thanks!

To answer your question: 3 pilots on the TPE route and they stay either overnight if the return flight is the next day, or for the lucky few, they get 2 nights if the next day has no flight. I don't know the rules about what happens on this route or any other when a pilot gets sick or can't fly and how other crew are flown out. I've been on other flights with complete second sets of pilots and cabin crew due to a stranded bird, once at LAX when a catering truck hit her.

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You all know this, but still, from silly me who did 9 trips to and through TPE last year with AC......

The first of the 9 was the only one that was mostly on time for all 4 sectors.

The rest of the year was mayhem of varying degrees. Sometimes AC 17 had a late inbound from wherever. Other times, it was already on the ground at YVR but not ready to go. Getting into TPE a little late wasn't as big a problem - unless the transcon to YVR to get AC 17 goes mx, which happened too.

But..... the endless late departures of AC 18 seem strange. To me. Again, sometimes late inbound. And more than once, delay due to mechanical and you all remember the Sept flight where we were sitting in 35C+ heat for more than 3 hours, while moved to a remote stand with fire trucks and so on while they sorted issues.

In almost every case where my AC 18 was delayed, I missed my cnx back east. I never booked the 1 hour cnx and often try to avoid the 1hr50, but at certain times of the year, if I don't book that one, I'm stuck waiting for the red-eye . Also, I'm not the only one and there just aren't always seats to move us to on later flights. The YVR staff have been awesome in that respect and they will often meet the flight with new BPs.

I know others here work at YVR and know a lot more of the details behind these delays.

Maybe AC is messing themselves up with too few birds (even before the MAX mess), launching too many routes, and then there are the various planned or unplanned IROPS/mx kind of things. Just guessing.

I wonder if AC has a problem with the TPE route if they are cutting back another day per week of flights. Is it pricing? Is it the timing of their TPE slots? Is it cargo? No idea. I had quite a few AC 17s last year when almost half of J were non-revs. While I'm happy for them that they get to travel and used their passes, AC is not exactly earning money in those seats.

Anyway, just my experiences.
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Old Jul 9, 19, 2:37 pm
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@songscWhile I'm happy for them that they get to travel and used their passes, AC is not exactly earning money in those seats.
Even many of those who are revenue business passengers are flying on heavily-discounted fares - there's a reason people fly for leisure up front several times per year. The route is rumoured to be under scrutiny for discontinuation.
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