International SDC P class possible?
I have a flight scheduled YYZ-YOW-LHR in P class.(AC 458, AC888)
I'd like to fly the AC856 direct YYZ-LHR which arrives and leaves around similar times. Assuming there's still pace on the flight. Can I SDC this at the airport still? eliminating the stop-over in YOW? I believe the answer is yes for a $100 fee, but am trying to make sure I understood this right. Here are my flight rules. Penalties: NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. --- TICKET UPGRADE-PASSENGERS UPGRADING TO A BUSINESS CLASS FARE J-/C-/D-/Z-/P- OR PREMIUM ECONOMY FARES O-/E-/N- WILL NOT BE ASSESSED THE CHANGE FEE. --- ALL OTHER RULES MUST BE MET. ANY OTHER RULES MUST BE MET. ANY NONREFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NONREFUNDABLE. --- CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME CHARGE CAD 600.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE CAD 500.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - FOR O/B CHANGE THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE RECALCULATED USING CURRENT AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT AT THE DATE OF ISSUANCE. CHARGE DIFFERENCE IN FARE PLUS CHANGE FEE. CHANGE FEE IS SUBJECT TO EACH CHANGE TRANSACTION. ------------------------------------------------ BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - FOR I/B CHANGE THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE RECALCULATED USING HISTORICAL AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT AT THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE. CHARGE DIFFERENCE IN FARE PLUS CHANGE FEE. CHANGE FEE IS SUBJECT TO EACH CHANGE TRANSACTION. ------------------------------------------------- NEW FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER/EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN ORIGINAL FARE. IF NEW FARE IS LOWER THAN ORIGINAL FARE-NO REFUND PERMITTED. THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT IS FORFEIT. ------------------------------------------------- CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO SHOWS - REFER TO CANCELLATION PENALTY. IN THE EVENT OF A DOMESTIC/TRANSBORDER AND INTERNATIONAL AC FARE COMBINATION - INTERNATIONAL RULE PROVISION FOR CHANGE AND CANCELLATION WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- PAX HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATION AND TICKETS ON AC OPERATED FLIGHTS ONLY MAY CONFIRM EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN/DEST./STP POINTS FOR A NON-REF FEE OF CAD 100.00. -SEAT INVENTORY MUST BE AVAIL. IN THE CABIN APPLIC TO THE FARE CHARGED -CONFIRMED CHANGE MAY ONLY BE MADE AT THE AIRPORT ON THE DAY OF THE FLT. -ANY AIRPORT SAME DAY CONFIRMED CHANGES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE ADMIN. BY CALLING THE AC CALL CENTRE OR BY VISITING THE AC WEBSITE. -REGULAR FARE RULES APPLY FOR ANY CHANGES WHICH DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE AIRPORT SAME DAY CONFIRMED CHANGE FEE -SAMEDAY STANBY NO ALLOWED. AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE CAD 500.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE RECALCULATED USING HISTORICAL AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT AT THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE. CHARGE DIFFERENCE IN FARE PLUS CHANGE FEE. CHANGE FEE IS SUBJECT TO EACH CHANGE TRANSACTION. ------------------------------------------------ NEW FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER/EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN ORIGINAL FARE. IF NEW FARE IS LOWER THAN ORIGINAL FARE-NO REFUND PERMITTED. THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT IS FORFEIT. ------------------------------------------------- CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO SHOWS - REFER TO CANCELLATION PENALTY. IN THE EVENT OF A DOMESTIC/TRANSBORDER AND INTERNATIONAL AC FARE COMBINATION - INTERNATIONAL RULE PROVISION FOR CHANGE AND CANCELLATION WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- PAX HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATION AND TICKETS ON AC OPERATED FLIGHTS ONLY MAY COMFIRM EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN/DEST./ STOPOVER POINTS FOR A NON-REF FEE OF CAD 100.00. -SEAT INVENTORY MUST BE AVAIL. IN THE CABIN APPLIC TO THE FARE CHARGED -CONFIRMED CHANGE MAY ONLY BE MADE AT THE AIRPORT ON THE DAY OF THE FLT. -ANY AIRPORT SAME DAY CONFIRMED CHANGES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE ADMIN. BY CALLING THE AC CALL CENTRE OR BY VISITING THE AC WEBSITE. -REGULAR FARE RULES APPLY FOR ANY CHANGES WHICH DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE AIRPORT SAME DAY CONFIRMED CHANGE FEE -SAMEDAY STANBY NO ALLOWED. |
Last time I inquired about something similar I was told $100 because P space was available on the flight I wanted, then that it was impossible.
So I'd say depends on the agent :p But it should be $100 AFAIK |
BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN/DEST./ STOPOVER POINTS |
I tried doing a SDC out of LHR in May on a P fare, and wasn't successful. There were seats available in J on the flight I wanted at the airport 2 hours before the flight and the flight was not oversold, but there was no P class availability. Both the ticketing agent and concierge in LHR insisted that in order to do a SDC, there needs to be positive space PLUS your original fare class needs to be available. In order to change at the airport when the original fare class isn't available, they insisted I'd have to pay the change fee plus the fare difference for a last-minute D fare. When I asked them to try do do a SDC, I got "computer says no."
So, you may also need to have your original fare class available too, but this isn't clearly published and may not always be the case. |
Originally Posted by yyzgigi
(Post 31232375)
This phrase seems to be the crux of it. Not sure if this is an and or an or. You may be required to keep the same stopover points. Any time I've done, it has taken an act of God and has been for free in extraordinary circumstances. Never done paid.
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I will let you guys know how this works out. I'll get into LHR at the roughly the same time either way, Just one flight is a 777 vs a 767, but maybe its time to ride the old planes for nostalgia. I will also call AC reservations later to see what they say.
I get the feeling this is going to be one of those YMMV items depending on the agent (like what cow said) |
Originally Posted by pewpew
(Post 31232552)
Would you consider YOW a stopover? I'd consider it a transfer. Fare rules often say NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED but then will allow something like YYZ-YOW-LHR because 5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION. 3 IN AREA 1 AND 2 IN AREA 2 or something.
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Originally Posted by gcashin
(Post 31232519)
I tried doing a SDC out of LHR in May on a P fare, and wasn't successful. There were seats available in J on the flight I wanted at the airport 2 hours before the flight and the flight was not oversold, but there was no P class availability. Both the ticketing agent and concierge in LHR insisted that in order to do a SDC, there needs to be positive space PLUS your original fare class needs to be available. In order to change at the airport when the original fare class isn't available, they insisted I'd have to pay the change fee plus the fare difference for a last-minute D fare. When I asked them to try do do a SDC, I got "computer says no."
So, you may also need to have your original fare class available too, but this isn't clearly published and may not always be the case. |
Originally Posted by pilot007
(Post 31232774)
I’ve done an SDC many times out of LHR on P and Z fares. It can be done, but it requires a knowledgeable agent. I had the same response as you from a few agents. The check-in staff don’t usually know how to do it. I started going straight to ticketing and with one exception they were always able to do it. When I inquired about the inconsistency one of the knowledgeable agents said the others are lazy or don’t know how to do it. If you get push back (eg. “computer says no”), tell them to call the help desk. Stand firm. SDC does not require space in the same bucket, only cabin. I’ve done this at least 7 times at LHR before I become SE (now I just call in ;)) It appears that in contrast with most P fares, which typically allow same day airport standby, according to the rules posted, "SAMEDAY STANBY NO ALLOWED" (sic). While typically (looking at one of my tickets) it says "Day of departure, at check-in or at the airport - changes are permitted free of charge and subject to availability." |
Let us know the result - I'll be trying the same thing next week.
Booked YYZ-YUL-PVG, but would prefer the non-stop. |
Originally Posted by IluvSQ
(Post 31233978)
Let us know the result - I'll be trying the same thing next week.
Booked YYZ-YUL-PVG, but would prefer the non-stop. If there are any updates on my end I'll let you know! I was going to call AC but their hold-times lately are poo and i forgot to do it early this am. |
Originally Posted by pilot007
(Post 31232774)
I’ve done an SDC many times out of LHR on P and Z fares. It can be done, but it requires a knowledgeable agent. I had the same response as you from a few agents. The check-in staff don’t usually know how to do it. I started going straight to ticketing and with one exception they were always able to do it. When I inquired about the inconsistency one of the knowledgeable agents said the others are lazy or don’t know how to do it. If you get push back (eg. “computer says no”), tell them to call the help desk. Stand firm. SDC does not require space in the same bucket, only cabin. I’ve done this at least 7 times at LHR before I become SE (now I just call in ;)) |
Finally got through to AC reservations (35K line) [about 25 mins on-hold]
The agent called the ticketing department to double check and confirmed
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Slightly different situation from the OP, but today I was booked in NRT-YUL-YOW on a P fare. I called the Concierge (S100k line cannot process this) and changed to HND-YYZ-YOW. The HND flight was showing J4 C4 D0 Z0 P0. I was able to make the change no problem. There was a $100 same day change fee. There is is no need for P to be available. I have done the same thing before with J1 and all other Bus fare zeroed out. |
Originally Posted by knotseh
(Post 31234356)
Finally got through to AC reservations (35K line) [about 25 mins on-hold]
The agent called the ticketing department to double check and confirmed
change from my original YYZ-YUL-PVG routing. I decided that 3 hour later departure, plus lunch in the Signature Lounge, was worth the extra $125 over the SDC fee. |
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