Lost skychecked bag
#16
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: YYZ
Programs: NEXUS, Amex Plat. JPMorgan Palladium
Posts: 61
So received my bag back tonight...everything was accounted for, except for a inch long gash on the side of the bag. Anyone have experience with claiming damage bags with AC?
#17
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: YYC
Posts: 23,803
#18
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Programs: AC SE100K MM, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Accor Diamond, National Emerald Club Exec Elite
Posts: 1,085
Except that flying YVR-ORD 2 days ago that is exactly what AC had me do with a gate checked bag.
#19
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
Do not ever leave your bag without some form of claim check. Period.
A checked bag is a checked bag is a checked bag. This was an international flight and both the US and Canada are party to the Montreal Convention. Thus, the bag and contents are covered to fair market value maxed out at approximately CAD 2,180.
In this case where the bag was located but damaged. AC is responsible for paying for repair or simply paying the FMV of the bag. A bag which cost CAD 100 a year ago and has been used 10 times might be worth CAD 50. You may find that your insurance is better and, if it is, go that route.
A checked bag is a checked bag is a checked bag. This was an international flight and both the US and Canada are party to the Montreal Convention. Thus, the bag and contents are covered to fair market value maxed out at approximately CAD 2,180.
In this case where the bag was located but damaged. AC is responsible for paying for repair or simply paying the FMV of the bag. A bag which cost CAD 100 a year ago and has been used 10 times might be worth CAD 50. You may find that your insurance is better and, if it is, go that route.
#20
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE 2MM; UA MP Premier Silver; Marriott Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite; Radisson; Avis PC
Posts: 35,255
I've never received or asked for a tag when skychecking.
I've always received a tag when gate checking.
(Weird) data point:
I skychecked a bag (placed it on the tarmac cart with other skycheck luggage before ascending the stairs to board the aircraft) on a QK flight YYZMDT 16 years ago, and when I arrived, we were all told to retrieve our luggage at the carousel. But none of our skychecked luggage was there... only the luggage of those who officially checked-in their luggage. I came back the next day to MDT after I was notified that my luggage was there.
I've always received a tag when gate checking.
(Weird) data point:
I skychecked a bag (placed it on the tarmac cart with other skycheck luggage before ascending the stairs to board the aircraft) on a QK flight YYZMDT 16 years ago, and when I arrived, we were all told to retrieve our luggage at the carousel. But none of our skychecked luggage was there... only the luggage of those who officially checked-in their luggage. I came back the next day to MDT after I was notified that my luggage was there.
#21
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, ON, CANADA
Programs: AC SE100K, Marriott Bonvoy LTE
Posts: 1,881
Maybe once AC moves to Amadeus / Altea, hopefully they'll change their procedures to always attach a tag to any luggage that goes into the cargo hold (skycheck or checked luggage), and to always scan the tag at every point of interaction. Upon check-in, upon loading onto aircraft, and when the bag gets off-loaded. One of the things I like about Delta is knowing where my bag is.
#22
Join Date: Mar 2009
Programs: AC-SEMM, AA-Gold
Posts: 962
#23
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC*SE 2MM
Posts: 16,648
The issuing of tags is a relatively new thing on AC, though common for many years on other airlines. In the fall, I had an AC gate agent at YWG refuse to issue me a tag for my sky check bag for a YWG-YQR flight. He wouldn’t give them to anyone. When I told him it was supposed to be procedure, his response was that the bags were just being loaded on and off the plane and weren’t being otherwise processed, so there was no point to it... And yet, even in such a process a bag can go missing! I wasn’t impressed with this dude. He’s one of the long-term guys at YWG too so should know better.
I think I'd still be sitting on the tarmac is some remote place waiting for my bag tag if I followed this Utopian advice.
#24
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: YYZ
Programs: CX GO, AC Aeroplan 25K, AMEX PLAT, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Titanium, IHG Spire Amb
Posts: 464
Maybe once AC moves to Amadeus / Altea, hopefully they'll change their procedures to always attach a tag to any luggage that goes into the cargo hold (skycheck or checked luggage), and to always scan the tag at every point of interaction. Upon check-in, upon loading onto aircraft, and when the bag gets off-loaded. One of the things I like about Delta is knowing where my bag is.
Some of the agents at some stations (especially when busy) tend not to hand out these tags. Normally the risk of loosing a skycheck bag is supposed to be pretty low (except in OP's unfortunate case) because the skycheck bags are left either on a cart if it's open ramp boarding or at the bridge. They get loaded last into the baggage hold on the plane, and get unloaded first at destination back onto the cart if it's open ramp or onto the bridge right as passengers are deplaning. Scanning the skychecks as they get loaded or unloaded would be impractical as this whole process is designed to turn a 37 seat DH1 or 50 seat DH3/CRJ around within 30mins.
#25
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Ideally YOW, but probably not
Programs: AC SE*MM
Posts: 1,826
AC does skycheck on the CRJ1/2 and DH1/3 and at least YYZ and YUL and YOW operate those aircraft from gates with no jet bridge where you put your own bag on the skycheck cart. I don't do YVR as much but I seem to recall the same when doing YVR-SEA in the past. In any case, with AC, this is the "normal" skycheck procedure at home stations and where the procedure seems to work more or less okay.
But you are right, I was being too black and white.
There are plenty of times when AC will run a skycheck aircraft from a jet bridge. In YOW this is done for US departures (EWR, BOS, etc.). I know it happens at plenty of outstations as well, probably including DTW in this case. In this case the AC sky check procedure is ... not really a "procedure" and more or less just chaos. What can or can't fit in to a CRJ bin seems to be "try as you board" and then when it doesn't fit you leave your bag by the plane door and then grab it there again (or off the cart if you are coming back to a location with no jet bridge). There is no clean system with skycheck tags and GAs enforcing it, as is done for example with UA and the little green tags on their RJs.
When AC runs skycheck from a jet bridge you risk what happens to the OP.
I've never seen them. And I've been on a run of skycheck flights recently from YOW, YUL, YYZ and a couple of US outstations.
Last edited by RatherBeInYOW; Jun 25, 2019 at 6:35 am
#26
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Halifax
Programs: AC SE100K, Marriott Lifetime Platinum Elite. NEXUS
Posts: 4,568
#27
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: YQR
Posts: 2,741
You may may have never seen them, but it is something that AC brought in about 18 months ago. Perhaps they discontinued the practice again. If you boarded an aircraft that used sky check, then they handed them out at the gate. The tags may well be like so many other AC initiatives (red tags, white tags) in that it comes down to whether the GAs feel like doing it or not.