AC imposes 'no fly' ban, demands $18K from woman after ticket scam
Jun 4, 2019, 3:06 pm
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Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 pm
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Edit: Anyway back to the real reason for the story, that being using stolen credit cards to buy air tickets. Does the sales terms and Canadian law consider the buyer and traveler both contractually obligated and binding to money owed on the ticket sale, since those two can be two separate entities? If not, I doubt AC can force the traveler to pay the costs through court as AC is primarily selling an obligation to Buyer ABC to transport Passenger XYZ, and therefore can only go after Buyer ABC for the loss, and at most cancel the existing ticket for Passenger XYZ instead of banning them. Imagine if some irresponsible parent used a fraudulent card to buy a ticket for an Unaccompanied Minor, I just can't see how AC is going to force the kid to pay for the fare difference.
I don't think the figure of a "buyer" even exists. The transaction i.e. the contract takes place directly between the ticket holder and the airline. For instance, TAs are "agents" in the sense that they are agents of the airline. That someone bought her a ticket using a stolen credit card number does not mean she is not the buyer. She bought a ticket using a stolen credit card number, so she committed the fraud. Whether gullibility or stupidity calls for sympathy is of course a more subjective question.
Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 pm
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I suspect there is more to the story than the vaunted CBC investigative team has bothered to find out... some random thoughts- truly the first outreach from AC was a no fly and an invoice? no CC Algorithm picked up this many flights on fraudulent card{s}- esp given the geography involved and the relatively long time frame?? Students don't use the internet/technology for purchases???
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
Jun 4, 2019, 3:22 pm
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I suspect there is more to the story than the vaunted CBC investigative team has bothered to find out... some random thoughts- truly the first outreach from AC was a no fly and an invoice? no CC Algorithm picked up this many flights on fraudulent card{s}- esp given the geography involved and the relatively long time frame?? Students don't use the internet/technology for purchases???
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
There may be more to the story, but I could see that AC might not have been able to identify the person very easily ot fast. "Ann" is likely not her legal name, and there might be quite a few people around with the same transliterated Chinese name. So to uniquely identify her and her contact information might have taken a few repeated offences. As we know, the AC fraud dept had been quite aggressive in recent years, but in this instance, might not be easy. Especially since in many cases, the charge is typically only reversed after the flight, and she likely got tickets bought on different credit cards. Incidentally, credit cards number are printed out on itineraries, so she should have been able to tell her card was not used to pay. At least if she would have bothered to look.
Jun 4, 2019, 3:25 pm
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I suspect there is more to the story than the vaunted CBC investigative team has bothered to find out... some random thoughts- truly the first outreach from AC was a no fly and an invoice? no CC Algorithm picked up this many flights on fraudulent card{s}- esp given the geography involved and the relatively long time frame?? Students don't use the internet/technology for purchases???
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
I'm kinda curious why she screenshotted the conversations though.
Jun 4, 2019, 3:26 pm
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There may be more to the story, but I could see that AC might not have been able to identify the person very easily ot fast. "Ann" is likely not her legal name, and there might be quite a few people around with the same transliterated Chinese name. So to uniquely identify her and her contact information might have taken a few repeated offences. As we know, the AC fraud dept had been quite aggressive in recent years, but in this instance, might not be easy. Especially since in many cases, the charge is typically only reversed after the flight, and she likely got tickets bought on different credit cards. Incidentally, credit cards number are printed out on itineraries, so she should have been able to tell her card was not used to pay. At least if she would have bothered to look.
Jun 4, 2019, 3:58 pm
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I suspect there is more to the story than the vaunted CBC investigative team has bothered to find out... some random thoughts- truly the first outreach from AC was a no fly and an invoice? no CC Algorithm picked up this many flights on fraudulent card{s}- esp given the geography involved and the relatively long time frame?? Students don't use the internet/technology for purchases???
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
I suspect some where down the road additional facts will emerge.
Jun 4, 2019, 4:12 pm
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Imagine the next CBC headline if they do that; "Grandma cannot fly to see grandchildren this Xmas thanks to AC credit card rule".
Jun 4, 2019, 4:25 pm
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1. Steal (or buy stolen) CC
2. Advertise discount tickets, perhaps with a reasonable pitch like "emoyee pricing"
3. Regular person buys tickets, pays scammer with their CC,
4. Scammer buys ticket with stolen CC, passes on details to regular person
5. Scammer pockets all (3)
Jun 4, 2019, 4:46 pm
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AC does not. However if a ticket is bought on a third party card, they sometimes want the passenger to call the CC holder and confirm when checking in. I believe they recently added the requirement of entering the CC security digits too.
Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 pm
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That isn't the scam.
1. Steal (or buy stolen) CC
2. Advertise discount tickets, perhaps with a reasonable pitch like "emoyee pricing"
3. Regular person buys tickets, pays scammer with their CC,
4. Scammer buys ticket with stolen CC, passes on details to regular person
5. Scammer pockets all (3)
1. Steal (or buy stolen) CC
2. Advertise discount tickets, perhaps with a reasonable pitch like "emoyee pricing"
3. Regular person buys tickets, pays scammer with their CC,
4. Scammer buys ticket with stolen CC, passes on details to regular person
5. Scammer pockets all (3)
Same with hacked AP accounts. AC cancels ticket even if the purchaser of that bargain flight-bought-on-line-from-someone is in transit somewhere. I guess the same is true of any stolen property you might have as well.
