Business award in Economy cabin
May 2, 2019, 8:24 am
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Oh boy, not this mess again. Waitlisters > non-confirmed upgraders (of any status). The waitlist clears before any non-confirmed upgrades (of any status) clear.
Status only serves, at best, as a tie-breaker when it comes to waitlisted passengers. An AP "confirmed in Y/X, ticketed in I/J" seat is a passenger waitlisted for J, not a passenger looking for an upgrade. They've already "paid" for J service, but just couldn't confirm such seating.
That's not true. There are lots of cases of SEMM's with e-upgrade requests active, who sit in the back, because there's no R space to confirm the coupon upgraders into. But a plane will never travel with J positive space and a waitlist that hasn't fully cleared. Revenue management, for whatever reasons, may not make upgrade space available, but they can't inhibit a waitlist clearing unless the plane goes out full with confirmed pax.
Of course, I'd never advise one book an overseas segment without confirmation, as its AC's well-known goal to sell as many confirmed upgrades or better yet, confirmed revenue seats, prior to flight time, leaving no space to clear the waitlist into, let alone provide any upgrade space beyond the paltry amount of confirmed upgrade space that's made available.
Status only serves, at best, as a tie-breaker when it comes to waitlisted passengers. An AP "confirmed in Y/X, ticketed in I/J" seat is a passenger waitlisted for J, not a passenger looking for an upgrade. They've already "paid" for J service, but just couldn't confirm such seating.
That's not true. There are lots of cases of SEMM's with e-upgrade requests active, who sit in the back, because there's no R space to confirm the coupon upgraders into. But a plane will never travel with J positive space and a waitlist that hasn't fully cleared. Revenue management, for whatever reasons, may not make upgrade space available, but they can't inhibit a waitlist clearing unless the plane goes out full with confirmed pax.
Of course, I'd never advise one book an overseas segment without confirmation, as its AC's well-known goal to sell as many confirmed upgrades or better yet, confirmed revenue seats, prior to flight time, leaving no space to clear the waitlist into, let alone provide any upgrade space beyond the paltry amount of confirmed upgrade space that's made available.
Last edited by 5mm; May 2, 2019 at 8:30 am
May 2, 2019, 9:00 am
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May 2, 2019, 9:43 am
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Your best bet is to look to see what availability there is from all the European gateways, then work backwards for flights out of TIA. If there is no award availability, then paying for the intra-europe flights is an option.
May 2, 2019, 10:38 am
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???? Please advise where e-upgrade credits were mentioned?Status doesn't really help on Aeroplan tickets, since upgrades on Aeroplan tickets come after all revenue upgrades.
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Originally Posted by Symmetre 
Aeroplan often presents "mixed cabin" award flights where they put you in J for a short connecting leg, then stuff you into Y for the long overseas segment - all while still billing you full points for doing the whole trip in J. It's deceptive as hell.
You can request an upgrade at the gate but don't hold your breath, since available seats are almost always gone by that point - especially if you don't have status with AC or have lower tier status. Strongly suggest you select another booking option that will put you in J all the way through right from the start.
Aeroplan often presents "mixed cabin" award flights where they put you in J for a short connecting leg, then stuff you into Y for the long overseas segment - all while still billing you full points for doing the whole trip in J. It's deceptive as hell.You can request an upgrade at the gate but don't hold your breath, since available seats are almost always gone by that point - especially if you don't have status with AC or have lower tier status. Strongly suggest you select another booking option that will put you in J all the way through right from the start.
May 2, 2019, 11:10 am
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You implied it in post 15 of this thread when you mentioned "revenue upgrades", which is typically done to upgrade revenue tickets via via eUpgrade. @Symmetre didn't mention eUpgrades in the quote you posted.
Alternatively, by "revenue upgrades" are you referring to bid upgrades and LMU? If so, then I'd agree that status doesn't come into play. Or are you talking about revenue J but only being confirmed in Y for some reason?
The way I read your post was that revenue upgrade means eUpgrade, and it appears that others took it that way too. Maybe you aren't talking about the same things, but the way I've read/interpreted this thread, I agree with @canadiancow.
The way I read your post was that revenue upgrade means eUpgrade, and it appears that others took it that way too. Maybe you aren't talking about the same things, but the way I've read/interpreted this thread, I agree with @canadiancow.
May 2, 2019, 11:16 am
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Actually, I didn't read either post as talking about eUpgrades. Which makes sense in the context of this thread, as it has nothing to do with eUpgrades, other than "where would my priority be relative to eUpgrades".
May 2, 2019, 2:57 pm
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Find a different routing on a better carrier (and possibly with less fees!)
The routings presented online are not the end-all of availability, and the website prefers AC flights (even if as you learned the longhaul is in Y)
Piece together a route yourself that is all business and call in to book
The routings presented online are not the end-all of availability, and the website prefers AC flights (even if as you learned the longhaul is in Y)
Piece together a route yourself that is all business and call in to book
May 2, 2019, 5:05 pm
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Kind reminder - there are chances I found available seats from other sources(e.g. UA) but Aeroplan could not book for me. I was actually told by the CSR that I can only book those that can be found at their website, which I know is not completely true. However, it has always been a myth to me to find where the line(dividing the found-elsewhere-but-nonbookable-at-Aeroplan-seat) is. I appreciate any insight.
You still need to verify (segment by segment) that those are available via Aeroplan, and that the routing meets MPM.
Star alliance inventory should be identical between the two platforms (X/I space) - but the Aeroplan website will not show some routings
If its not, Aeroplan is blocking the awards or has one of its many "glitches" that only happen on non-YQ airlines
May 3, 2019, 1:50 pm
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United will find more routings (and does not prefer YQ money-making AC, even if long leg is in Y)
You still need to verify (segment by segment) that those are available via Aeroplan, and that the routing meets MPM.
Star alliance inventory should be identical between the two platforms (X/I space) - but the Aeroplan website will not show some routings
If its not, Aeroplan is blocking the awards or has one of its many "glitches" that only happen on non-YQ airlines
You still need to verify (segment by segment) that those are available via Aeroplan, and that the routing meets MPM.
Star alliance inventory should be identical between the two platforms (X/I space) - but the Aeroplan website will not show some routings
If its not, Aeroplan is blocking the awards or has one of its many "glitches" that only happen on non-YQ airlines
May 4, 2019, 8:46 am
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May 4, 2019, 10:31 am
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a) Its Aer Lingus or EuroWings (not an Aeroplan partner)
b) Is not a saver award
c) Aeroplan is "glitching" or blocking it atm
d) It doesnt fit Aeroplan MPM
May 5, 2019, 10:15 am
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I am travelling CDG-YWG: CDG-FRA (on LH) connecting to FRA-YOW (on AC) then YOW-YWG (on AC). All confirmed in BIZ except the last leg YOW-YWG. So, at what point in the journey can I request to be put on standby for BIZ for my YOW-YWG? I somehow doubt that LH in CDG will be able to help (but I may be wrong) but maybe AC in FRA??