AC now ranked "one of the worst performers" for OTP
May 3, 19, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Symmetre
This is a beef that I completely agree with. Why should I have to devote more hours to travel on a given day simply because AC can't get its act together? Those extra hours represent a real and legitimate cost.
My math over the last 2-3 years is at least 5-7 days of time (that counts the times when the last flight of the day from YUL to YYC is delayed and I have to catch one the next morning). Totally depressing.
If anybody wonders why the average FF (me) has no respect whatsoever for AC, it is in no small part because they have none for me.
May 3, 19, 3:29 pm
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May 3, 19, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by mellon
I wonder if its just AC incompetence, they truly have no idea how to fix the problem with all the issues AC has.
When I was chatting with an A 320 pilots he said its simple the planes are so old and poorly maintained they are always delayed, and nobody cares so the long list of deferred maintenance is just deferred again.
When I was chatting with an A 320 pilots he said its simple the planes are so old and poorly maintained they are always delayed, and nobody cares so the long list of deferred maintenance is just deferred again.
May 3, 19, 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Clipper801
I don't know if "incompetence" is the correct description for holding a 787 for 2.25 hours to wait for about a dozen passengers from another delayed flight! That was the case on one of my recent Air Canada flights.
When it comes to OTP, AC does. NOT. Care. Our opinions are irrelevant to them, and the resident posters here who consistently hammer at AC for OTP go out of their way to avoid flying their aircraft anyway. ACmust make more money doing business this way. That’s the only logical answer.
May 4, 19, 12:22 pm
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Which is worse: bad OTP or bad excuses for bad OTP?
May 4, 19, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by KenHamer
Which is worse: bad OTP or bad excuses for bad OTP?
May 4, 19, 4:16 pm
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Originally Posted by KenHamer
Which is worse: bad OTP or bad excuses for bad OTP?
May 5, 19, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by WaytoomuchEurope
Meaning, in all likelihood that AC did the math and figured re-routing the dozen passengers (probably including hotels, taxi, food etc) would cost lots more than paying out the few voucher claims that would come through for the late arrivals and other mid-connects.
When it comes to OTP, AC does. NOT. Care. Our opinions are irrelevant to them, and the resident posters here who consistently hammer at AC for OTP go out of their way to avoid flying their aircraft anyway. ACmust make more money doing business this way. That’s the only logical answer.
If there was another airline flying direct non-stop on that route, I would not have booked AC.
May 6, 19, 3:38 pm
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Well, April stats are out.
Good news, AC is no longer worst in the world, and as weather has improved, so has AC - up to 68.88%
Bad news, still, by far, worst in North America
Good news, AC is no longer worst in the world, and as weather has improved, so has AC - up to 68.88%
Bad news, still, by far, worst in North America
May 6, 19, 4:08 pm
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BTW, the unlabeled bubble next to WS is F9.
Oddly enough, AC's OTP is a somewhat more respectable 73.48% if you include all AC flights (numbers above are mainline only).
Oddly enough, AC's OTP is a somewhat more respectable 73.48% if you include all AC flights (numbers above are mainline only).
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May 6, 19, 4:16 pm
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As mentioned OTP is not a show stopper for swaying pax from flying AC, especially not the FF who are willing to put up with many factors to keep status, me included..LOL!
May 6, 19, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1
BTW, the unlabeled bubble next to WS is F9.
Oddly enough, AC's OTP is a somewhat more respectable 73.48% if you include all AC flights (numbers above are mainline only).
Oddly enough, AC's OTP is a somewhat more respectable 73.48% if you include all AC flights (numbers above are mainline only).
Originally Posted by james dean
As mentioned OTP is not a show stopper for swaying pax from flying AC, especially not the FF who are willing to put up with many factors to keep status, me included..LOL!
May 6, 19, 4:30 pm
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It would be interesting to see a proper statistical analysis, i.e. mean delay time and standard deviation so you could assess the necessary connection time to reduce the odds of a misconnect to something acceptable.
(For those unfamiliar, if you assume the delayed arrival times follow a normal distribution, the scheduled arrival time plus mean delay plus two standard deviations equates to a 97.5% probability you will arrive before that time.)
(For those unfamiliar, if you assume the delayed arrival times follow a normal distribution, the scheduled arrival time plus mean delay plus two standard deviations equates to a 97.5% probability you will arrive before that time.)
May 6, 19, 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Sopwith
It would be interesting to see a proper statistical analysis, i.e. mean delay time and standard deviation so you could assess the necessary connection time to reduce the odds of a misconnect to something acceptable.
(For those unfamiliar, if you assume the delayed arrival times follow a normal distribution, the scheduled arrival time plus mean delay plus two standard deviations equates to a 97.5% probability you will arrive before that time.)
(For those unfamiliar, if you assume the delayed arrival times follow a normal distribution, the scheduled arrival time plus mean delay plus two standard deviations equates to a 97.5% probability you will arrive before that time.)
It's sad that I even have to do this, but it does mitigate the risk in getting where I need to go.
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May 6, 19, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Sopwith
It would be interesting to see a proper statistical analysis, i.e. mean delay time and standard deviation so you could assess the necessary connection time to reduce the odds of a misconnect to something acceptable.
(For those unfamiliar, if you assume the delayed arrival times follow a normal distribution, the scheduled arrival time plus mean delay plus two standard deviations equates to a 97.5% probability you will arrive before that time.)
(For those unfamiliar, if you assume the delayed arrival times follow a normal distribution, the scheduled arrival time plus mean delay plus two standard deviations equates to a 97.5% probability you will arrive before that time.)
You are looking for something more like a Poisson distribution.
