Rouge 763 on YYZ-YYC in June
Apr 14, 2019, 7:08 pm
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@Stranger was this a redeye too? I got moved from a 17:45 departure on a 320 (used to be a 7M8) to a 23:50 rouge 763 departure. Yeah, .... that, no way I'm taking that flight. Inconvenient to switch to 16:10, but better than a redeye on that awful rouge 763.
No, it won't.
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Apr 14, 2019, 7:49 pm
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@Stranger was this a redeye too? I got moved from a 17:45 departure on a 320 (used to be a 7M8) to a 23:50 rouge 763 departure. Yeah, .... that, no way I'm taking that flight. Inconvenient to switch to 16:10, but better than a redeye on that awful rouge 763.
Not a redyeye, no (or not much) change in time. Gets in Calgary a bit past 8 pm.
Apr 14, 2019, 8:11 pm
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Apr 15, 2019, 8:26 am
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Nothing of the kind. Was just that the fare difference was way more than the cost of an extra weekend day. An extra day in Rome is always nice anyway, and I always appreciate the opportunity to have dinner at Cuoco & Camicia, my favorite Rome restaurant, if I stay near the Termini station.
Apr 15, 2019, 9:21 am
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Actually upon checking, you were right. I changed the first leg to the previous day, and the YYZ-YYZ to a morning flight on a mainline 763, the flight to NRT actually. Now why isn't the AC stopover option being offered???
Apr 15, 2019, 5:39 pm
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My friend @marke190 is concerned that YYT-YYZ may get rouged at some point. While I agree that it seems more and more domestic routes are being rouged, I cannot see AC rouging this one. Considering they just built a brand new MLL, it would be nonsensical to only fly Rouge and Express to YYT.
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
Apr 15, 2019, 5:59 pm
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My friend @marke190 is concerned that YYT-YYZ may get rouged at some point. While I agree that it seems more and more domestic routes are being rouged, I cannot see AC rouging this one. Considering they just built a brand new MLL, it would be nonsensical to only fly Rouge and Express to YYT.
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
My guess is that the plan has not changed, but by reasons of expediency, exceptions end up happening. In the case of the current thread, surely not permanently, but as part of the recovery plan after the Max disaster. AC being of of the or perhaps just the airline most seriously affected.
Apr 15, 2019, 6:22 pm
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4 hours isn't that short.
The seats on the 763 are very uncomfortable, even in Premium. The bins are also laughably small, and I've seen people have to have their carry-ons stashed way in the back, and having to wait until most of Y has deplaned to get them.
In short, there's nothing premium about the experience of flying this plane on rouge.
The routes that have been truly rouged have been routes that are mostly leisure traffic. Whether YYT is in the rouge plans long term is hard to say, but one shouldn't read too much in to anything the next couple of months. As long as the MAXes are grounded, AC will be scrambling to replace them.
The seats on the 763 are very uncomfortable, even in Premium. The bins are also laughably small, and I've seen people have to have their carry-ons stashed way in the back, and having to wait until most of Y has deplaned to get them.
In short, there's nothing premium about the experience of flying this plane on rouge.
My friend @marke190 is concerned that YYT-YYZ may get rouged at some point. While I agree that it seems more and more domestic routes are being rouged, I cannot see AC rouging this one. Considering they just built a brand new MLL, it would be nonsensical to only fly Rouge and Express to YYT.
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
Apr 15, 2019, 6:46 pm
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Even if the 737 MAX are allowed to fly again, their configuration in Y isn't much different from Rouge. The B777s and B788/789 in Y are essentially Rouge.
The YYT-LHR route served the oil industry well when many were commuting between St. John's and Norway. My neighbour across the street still works in Norway. Many Equinor/Kvaerner/Maersk employees commute via this route. I don't see YYZ-YYT being Rouged any time soon, since this is another important route serving not just the offshore oil industry and associated businesses, but also the GoC, Oil Sands, and various mining businesses. During the good times, you'd need to buy tickets at least three weeks out in order to get a decent fare, as these flights were often full. They are still relatively full on shift change days.
But if YYZ-YYC can be Rouged, then never say never.
The YYT-LHR route served the oil industry well when many were commuting between St. John's and Norway. My neighbour across the street still works in Norway. Many Equinor/Kvaerner/Maersk employees commute via this route. I don't see YYZ-YYT being Rouged any time soon, since this is another important route serving not just the offshore oil industry and associated businesses, but also the GoC, Oil Sands, and various mining businesses. During the good times, you'd need to buy tickets at least three weeks out in order to get a decent fare, as these flights were often full. They are still relatively full on shift change days.
But if YYZ-YYC can be Rouged, then never say never.
Apr 15, 2019, 6:56 pm
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My friend @marke190 is concerned that YYT-YYZ may get rouged at some point. While I agree that it seems more and more domestic routes are being rouged, I cannot see AC rouging this one. Considering they just built a brand new MLL, it would be nonsensical to only fly Rouge and Express to YYT.
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
I am completely puzzled by Rouge all the same. It was created as a "leisure" airline (for vacation destinations), but it seems to be serving an excessive number of domestic routes! It almost seems like AC wants to rouge every single flight in the country! Might as well just get rid of mainline altogether (if Calin had his way...LOL).
What if post-MAX grounding, AC ran a mix of mainline and rouge on certain routes with leisure-heavy departure times on the latter. What we're seeing now with these sprinklings of rouge may actually be foreshadowing the future.
Apr 15, 2019, 7:06 pm
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Even if the 737 MAX are allowed to fly again, their configuration in Y isn't much different from Rouge. The B777s and B788/789 in Y are essentially Rouge.
The YYT-LHR route served the oil industry well when many were commuting between St. John's and Norway. My neighbour across the street still works in Norway. Many Equinor/Kvaerner/Maersk employees commute via this route. I don't see YYZ-YYT being Rouged any time soon, since this is another important route serving not just the offshore oil industry and associated businesses, but also the GoC, Oil Sands, and various mining businesses. During the good times, you'd need to buy tickets at least three weeks out in order to get a decent fare, as these flights were often full. They are still relatively full on shift change days.
But if YYZ-YYC can be Rouged, then never say never.
The YYT-LHR route served the oil industry well when many were commuting between St. John's and Norway. My neighbour across the street still works in Norway. Many Equinor/Kvaerner/Maersk employees commute via this route. I don't see YYZ-YYT being Rouged any time soon, since this is another important route serving not just the offshore oil industry and associated businesses, but also the GoC, Oil Sands, and various mining businesses. During the good times, you'd need to buy tickets at least three weeks out in order to get a decent fare, as these flights were often full. They are still relatively full on shift change days.
But if YYZ-YYC can be Rouged, then never say never.
I hope YYT-LHR will continue to be an option in the future! That link to Europe is key for both business and leisure travellers.
Anyways...I am deviating slightly from the original topic, so that will be the end of my slight tangent!
Apr 25, 2019, 11:04 pm
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Calgary YYC- Toronto YYZ summer flights served by Air Canada Rouge?!?!?
YYC-YYZ summer flights served by Air Canada Rouge?!?!?
They didnt even bother reducing the price from mainline!!!! In both economy or business!!!
The beginning of the end... indeed
They didnt even bother reducing the price from mainline!!!! In both economy or business!!!
The beginning of the end... indeed