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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:36 pm
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190 seat A321s?

Not sure if it's been mentioned anywhere, but I noticed AC's website now shows the A321s with 174Y 16J, up from 169Y and 16J. Does anyone know when AC made the change? That makes for a pretty dense A321!

On a similar note, does anyone know if AC has any plans (or is even able) to change the lav configurations on the A319/A321s that are sticking around to be like Delta and the AC 7M8s, where the move into what was previously galley space (adding an extra row of Y in the process)? Seems like a logical next step...
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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:49 pm
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They could always take out a couple of rows and add 48 standing room slots.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:54 pm
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FWIW, the Spring 2019 issue of NAVI also shows the ML 321 as 174Y 16J.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 3:45 pm
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Why not just pull the lavs altogether and shoehorn in a couple more seats? People can hold it for four hours.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 7:32 pm
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This from an airline that put an industry leading 450+ seats on a 777.. .so why does this surprise anyone?
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Old Apr 13, 19, 7:53 pm
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This from an airline that put an industry leading 450+ seats on a 777.. .so why does this surprise anyone?
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Old Apr 13, 19, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
This from an airline that put an industry leading 450+ seats on a 777.. .so why does this surprise anyone?
Are we on a AIr France thread?

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Old Apr 14, 19, 3:49 am
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Originally Posted by yyznomad View Post
FWIW, the Spring 2019 issue of NAVI also shows the ML 321 as 174Y 16J.
I was booked on a flight YYZ/YQB .AC 1794 ,May 24th.I had booked Mrs. acysb87 into Premium Rouge.and I was upgraded into that cabin from a latitude fare.
This week , a schedule change . We were both moved to Y seating on same flight, same aircraft style (321) . Seats 18A and 19A .
When I called AE and then AC , we were accommodated an hour later on a different flight in J ,

Both AE and AC agents had never seen an all Y configured ACr seatplan. New to all of us. Could it be a WOW aircraft repainted and entering the ACr fleet?
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
This from an airline that put an industry leading 450+ seats on a 777.. .so why does this surprise anyone?
It's still truly frightening, when Boeing itself notes the plane is designed for up to 365.
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Originally Posted by Symmetre View Post
It's still truly frightening, when Boeing itself notes the plane is designed for up to 365.
The context around that number is a three-cabin, F/J/Y configuration of the style most airlines were installing at the time. 8 F, 40+ J, 9-across Y, etc.

It was never meant as "this is what we think is good/safe/etc." It was "this is what our customers want". Yes, the aircraft was designed for the cabin configuration requested by the prospective purchasers.

In fact, on the page you linked, all it says is how far it can carry 365 passengers. It doesn't mention anything about capacity or "designed for".
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Data point...

In the October 2017 issue 8 of NAVI (and all earlier issues), it lists the ML 321 as 16J 169Y.
In the Winter 2018 issue 9 of NAVI (and all issues thereafter), it lists the ML 321 as 16J 174Y.
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Isn't there some kind of emergency evacuation test that has to be done for a new cabin configuration?
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Old Apr 14, 19, 7:30 pm
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Isn't there some kind of emergency evacuation test that has to be done for a new cabin configuration?
No, Airbus has to do an evacuation test before the aircraft can be certified using the maximum number of passengers that the aircraft has been designed for. The A321s were designed for up to 220 passengers, so neither Air Canada nor Rouge is at the limit yet. I think Airbus increased that number for the neos.

The 777-300 can carry up to 550 passengers.
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Old Apr 14, 19, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by StuMcIlwain View Post
No, Airbus has to do an evacuation test before the aircraft can be certified using the maximum number of passengers that the aircraft has been designed for. The A321s were designed for up to 220 passengers, so neither Air Canada nor Rouge is at the limit yet. I think Airbus increased that number for the neos.

The 777-300 can carry up to 550 passengers.
Thanks, appreciate the info. An all-Y 220 seat A321... yikes.
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The PDF timetables still show 169Y 16J

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The latest published PDF timetables still show 169Y 16J
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