CBC: Girl, 15, stranded alone overnight at YYC after AC delay & WS ticket error
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So the parents decided that she was able to travel as an adult. Otherwise, they could have sent a guardian with her.
The only way "age" becomes relevant here is if you shift the blame to the parents. The airlines were told (by the fact the ticket was booked) that she was capable of traveling as an adult.
The only way "age" becomes relevant here is if you shift the blame to the parents. The airlines were told (by the fact the ticket was booked) that she was capable of traveling as an adult.
When my minor age child traveled this past summer I made sure he had plenty of money and of course his cell phone and he knew what he was entitled to if things went sideways, and where to go. It also helps that he could call me if things went wrong and I had a reasonable chance of untangling things. Even still I would not have expected AC (or WS) to dump him airside in IRROPS late at night, and I would have been plenty annoyed if they did.
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As with many things, it seems a lack of planning helped contribute to this episode as the article notes this young traveler has flown the route many times but apparently nobody thought to prepare for such a contingency. I'm not suggesting that everyone should go into every situation expecting the worst but OTOH having thought through the 'what ifs' just seems prudent although that is merely MHO.
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Are you sure? Was she booked as a "youth" or as an "adult"?
It's possible that was on the AC PNR, but even if it was, I doubt it made its way to WS. Though I still feel like this problem is WS's doing.
She hit IRROPS on AC and was rebooked. Maybe there was an issue there, but everything went to crap when the WS agent told her to leave security. That is why she spent the night in the airport.
It's possible that was on the AC PNR, but even if it was, I doubt it made its way to WS. Though I still feel like this problem is WS's doing.
She hit IRROPS on AC and was rebooked. Maybe there was an issue there, but everything went to crap when the WS agent told her to leave security. That is why she spent the night in the airport.
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It detects the passenger age based on the DOB. I booked my son on ac.com this way, there was no way to book him as an "adult".
Completely agree.
It detects the passenger age based on the DOB. I booked my son on ac.com this way, there was no way to book him as an "adult".
It's possible that was on the AC PNR, but even if it was, I doubt it made its way to WS. Though I still feel like this problem is WS's doing.
She hit IRROPS on AC and was rebooked. Maybe there was an issue there, but everything went to crap when the WS agent told her to leave security. That is why she spent the night in the airport.
She hit IRROPS on AC and was rebooked. Maybe there was an issue there, but everything went to crap when the WS agent told her to leave security. That is why she spent the night in the airport.
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Ah, good catch - you can tell how often I fly domestically ;-). When I did this last year for my son it was a transborder itinerary (YOW-YYZ-LAX), which did require DOB. Not sure how this would be handled for a domestic itinerary.
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Not that it really makes a difference anyway. It's not like a 16 year old is suddenly going to have a credit card and ability to check in to a hotel on their own.
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This should not have happened but I agree that the fact that she was 15 is not hugely relevant. If she was under the age of 13, that would probably be different.
There are many things that can go wrong that are often not the airline's fault and may require staying overnight in the airport e.g. winter storms, aircraft malfunction, drones. Sending a 15 year old to travel alone should mean you accept the small risk of something like this happening.
Also, does Calgary airport not have airport hotels? Surely the parents could have booked a hotel for her and got the airline to reimburse later. Or, since she was on her own, I am sure she had some form of payment for emergencies.
There are many things that can go wrong that are often not the airline's fault and may require staying overnight in the airport e.g. winter storms, aircraft malfunction, drones. Sending a 15 year old to travel alone should mean you accept the small risk of something like this happening.
Also, does Calgary airport not have airport hotels? Surely the parents could have booked a hotel for her and got the airline to reimburse later. Or, since she was on her own, I am sure she had some form of payment for emergencies.
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Air Canada responded to Global News in a statement.
“There were actually four customers, including the young woman, who were destined to Fort St. John, and all were re-routed with Westjet via Calgary,” Peter Fitzpatrick, with Air Canada, said. “The other three customers boarded the flight in Calgary without issue and we do not have information as to why this passenger, regrettably, did not.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/5104094/t...lgary-airport/
“There were actually four customers, including the young woman, who were destined to Fort St. John, and all were re-routed with Westjet via Calgary,” Peter Fitzpatrick, with Air Canada, said. “The other three customers boarded the flight in Calgary without issue and we do not have information as to why this passenger, regrettably, did not.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/5104094/t...lgary-airport/
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Her age IS relevant. A 15 year old imay be old enough to fly when everything goes smoothly. But when there is a bump, the 15 year old will frequently lack the maturity (or legal ability) to deal with it. UM fees are NOT earned when everything goes right. They ARE earned in instances like this.
An adult would have gone to a hotel,or called the airline or taken other actions to mitigate the problem. The airline has no responsibility when a parent decides theiir child is sufficiently capable to not need UM status.
An adult would have gone to a hotel,or called the airline or taken other actions to mitigate the problem. The airline has no responsibility when a parent decides theiir child is sufficiently capable to not need UM status.
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I once spent the night on the floor of a dimly lit hallway in SFO after some IRROPS. I was 16 years old. My parents didn't even know I was out of the country, let alone in SFO.
I dealt with it. I survived.
I dealt with it. I survived.
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Apparently Global says her luggage made it on the WS flight too so obviously she was on the flight's manifest... Snowflake probably was making a super long instastory and missed gate closing.
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As with many things, it seems a lack of planning helped contribute to this episode as the article notes this young traveler has flown the route many times but apparently nobody thought to prepare for such a contingency. I'm not suggesting that everyone should go into every situation expecting the worst but OTOH having thought through the 'what ifs' just seems prudent although that is merely MHO.
Also, I don't know your age or gender but I'd venture there is a difference between a 16 year old male (who could look more than 16 years old) 20 years ago ... and a 15 year old female in 2019.
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Assuming that it's safe to be in the airport all night, I don't think it's such a big deal for a kid to spend the night there, although it's obviously less comfortable than the bed at home hopefully would be. A lot of kids would view this as a great adventure and be proud of their independence, although a working cell phone is essential when there are problems like this, if only to tell parents where they are and revise plane to pick them up at the destination airport.
If the kid did something wrong, such as not moving quickly to the (correct) gate for the connecting flight or trying to go out to the ticket counter, he/she will learn from the experience and do better the next time, including being an appropriate advocate for herself/himself when necessary.
If the kid did something wrong, such as not moving quickly to the (correct) gate for the connecting flight or trying to go out to the ticket counter, he/she will learn from the experience and do better the next time, including being an appropriate advocate for herself/himself when necessary.