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Old Mar 12, 2019, 11:26 am
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Originally Posted by https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2019/737-airspace-closure.html
If you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.
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May 29, 2019
If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance
In compliance with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.Air Canada is now updating its May, June and July schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least September 02, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: "What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?". Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plansIf you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice. If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.

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March 19, 2019

UPDATED - INFORMATION ON IMPACTED ROUTES


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UPDATED - Air Canada Responds to Transport Canada's Closure of Canadian Airspace to the Boeing 737 MAX Aircraft

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-closure.html

March 19, 2019

If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance

In compliance with Transport Canadas safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.

Air Canada is now updating its April and May schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least July 1, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?. Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plans

If you currently have a reservation for a flight that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice.

If you purchased your ticket with Aeroplan, or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.


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March 13, 2019

Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible. Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres. Priority will be given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours. We appreciate our customers' patience.

If you'd like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section. We also advise you to check the status of your flight before heading to the airport.

We fully support Transport Canada's decision and will continue to work with them towards a resolution of this situation as soon as possible.

Alternate Travel Plans
If you currently have a reservation for a flight operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262).

If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your Travel agent, please contact them directly Some questions you may have are below with our answers, but if you can't find what you need, contact us at 1-888-247-2262, or reach out to us on on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines..

How many Boeing 737 MAX aircraft does Air Canada have?
Air Canada has a fleet of 24 Boeing 737 MAX-8 aircraft, which have been in operation since 2017. We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 737MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

Where do the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft fly to?
These aircraft operate flights across North America, to Mexico, the Caribbean, Hawaii, as well as from Atlantic Canada to London Heathrow.

How many Boeing 737 MAX flights are there each day, and how many passengers are affected?
We typically operate approximately 75 Boeing 737 MAX flights daily out of a total schedule of approximately 1,600 daily flights system-wide, representing less than six percent of our total flying.

We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 Boeing 737 MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?
We are making adjustments to our schedule to minimize the disruption to customers as much as possible, by optimizing the deployment of the rest of our fleet and looking at alternative options, including accommodating customers on other airlines.

As an example of some of our adjustments to Boeing 737 MAX flights cancelled, we have re-scheduled widebody aircraft to serve Hawaii starting today, March 13. Some flights will operate as scheduled with mainline or Air Canada Rouge aircraft, such as on Montreal-Martinique and Montreal-Guadeloupe. Other routes, notably Halifax-London and St. John's-London are cancelled in the short term, with customers being re-routed through our Montreal and Toronto hubs.

What should I do right now?
As changes are finalized in our flight schedule, customers whose flight times or flight numbers have changed can expect to receive an email detailing their updated itinerary. This information is also available in My Bookings on the Air Canada App.

If you are travelling soon, you can also contact us or your travel agent. Please understand that priority is being given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours.

We have also put in place a rebooking policy, space permitting, and without additional fees for affected customers. Given the magnitude of our Boeing 737 MAX operations, which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada's Call Centres.

Where can I go to for more information?
If you would like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section.

If you are travelling soon, you can contact us, reach out to our social media teams on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or call your travel agent.

We also advise you to check the status of your flight before going to the airport.

We thank all of our customers for their patience.

Will Air Canada cover my out-of-pocket expenses such as additional accommodation costs that I may incur as a result of these disruptions?
Our normal protocol for irregular events which are out of our control is in effect. We are regrettably unable to reimburse for such expenses.



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MONTREAL, March 13, 2019 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible but given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada call centres and we appreciate our customers' patience.

Customers are further advised to check the status of their flight on aircanada.com prior to going to the airport.

We fully support this decision and will continue to work with Transport Canada towards resolution of this situation as soon as possible.


SOURCE Air Canada

For further information: Isabelle Arthur (Montral), [email protected], 514 422-5788; Peter Fitzpatrick (Toronto), [email protected], 416 263-5576; Angela Mah (Vancouver), [email protected], 604 270-5741; Internet: aircanada.com

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft




https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...to-london.html

Originally Posted by ac.com
Information on Air Canada Halifax-London and St. Johns-London service

March 12, 2019

Due to the UK's Civil Aviation Authority banning all Boeing 737 Max aircraft operations in the U.K. Air Canada has cancelled the following flights:

AC 860 Halifax London-Heathrow on March 12
AC861 London-Halifax on March 13
AC822 St. Johns-London on March 13
AC823London-St. Johns on March 14

We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible through our Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa hubs.

Affected customers may contact Air Canada Reservations to change their flights to another date free of charge.

As well, due to anticipated call volumes, customers can expect delays reaching Air Canada call centres, so we appreciate our customers patience.

Air Canada will provide updates as more information becomes available.
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Grounding of 737 Max - Effect on AC incl OMNI 767 lease

Old May 9, 2019, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by pitz
Type ratings don't just disappear because a pilot has done a new one. The 737Max pilots would've been mostly drawn from existing E90 and 320 type certificate holders, and I don't see why they couldn't just do checkride or two with a management training/check captain and be back on those planes.
Yes, they do. PPCs (pilot proficiency checks) expire after 12 months. While many of the current Max pilots may not require full initial training for the planes they last flew, they will require simulator and recurrency training at a minimum. This will not be able to be scheduled 'over the weekend', mainly because the sims and instructors will be pretty booked with the current crop of assigned pilots.

Also, many of the Max pilots, esp captains, didn't necessarily come from the narrow body fleet; many of them would have from the right seats of wide body aircraft. I wouldn't be confident in stating that AC's Max pilots are "mostly drawn" from any particular AC aircraft type.

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Old May 9, 2019, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by 5mm
I would. They spend millions on a custom cockpit upgrade not offered by Boeing. AC Max are the only 737Max operating in North America were they added a second sensor to the MCAS system, plus extra gauges so pilots don't have to share 1 gauge. These gauges work independently from each other for added safe.
What what? Who is the airworthiness force behind that? They have Boeing source code to update the software?
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Old May 9, 2019, 3:20 pm
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What what? Who is the airworthiness force behind that? They have Boeing source code to update the software?
This is AC internal safety department wanting upgrades to the Max. Yes, Boeing has been sending AC updates for the simulators, which AC pilots have been training on. Since AC is the only airline in NA with Max simulators, if Canada requires simulator training, they will get their max's into the air the fastest.
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Old May 10, 2019, 9:36 am
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booking future travel 737 max 8

not sure if this belongs in the general max 8 discussion thread, feel free to move if so...

i'm going to a conference in Austin this Oct, need to fly out of YVR. Almost all of the flights involve at least one segment on a 737 max 8, whether its AC or United metal.

My assumption is that the plane will either have passed safety issues by then, if not flight would be rebooked with alternative arrangements. I have some flexibility as long as the day of travel doesn't change. Do this seem reasonable? Would I be better off looking for complex routing that doesn't involve 737 max 8? Have airlines been flat out cancelling people still without alternative flights or was that just at the beginning?
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Old May 10, 2019, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by tdiddy23
not sure if this belongs in the general max 8 discussion thread, feel free to move if so...

i'm going to a conference in Austin this Oct, need to fly out of YVR. Almost all of the flights involve at least one segment on a 737 max 8, whether its AC or United metal.

My assumption is that the plane will either have passed safety issues by then, if not flight would be rebooked with alternative arrangements. I have some flexibility as long as the day of travel doesn't change. Do this seem reasonable? Would I be better off looking for complex routing that doesn't involve 737 max 8? Have airlines been flat out cancelling people still without alternative flights or was that just at the beginning?
If the 7M8 isnt flying by then, youll be either moved to another aircraft type, or theyll reaccomodate you on other flights.
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Old May 11, 2019, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy1978
this sounds like a recepie for disaster. Do they walk around the lounge tapping those with lower status on the shoulder saying "hey i know i let you in the lounge earlier but now you have to leave because the lounge is getting busier and i need to accomodate a passenger that gives us more money than you" or do they start turning lower status passengers away at the door despite allowing in a passenger with the same status level just minutes before...
The latter.
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Old May 12, 2019, 9:44 pm
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Looks like 7M8 disruption extending into August - flights booked in August I have are changing to other aircraft.
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Old May 13, 2019, 7:43 am
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Originally Posted by YXUFlyboy
Looks like 7M8 disruption extending into August - flights booked in August I have are changing to other aircraft.
A long time ago, days after this unfolded, I said October. I think some people laughed. LOL.
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Old May 13, 2019, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by YXUFlyboy
Looks like 7M8 disruption extending into August - flights booked in August I have are changing to other aircraft.
The Wall Street Journal (5/12, A1, Subscription Publication) reports that [...] The Boeing Companys 737 MAX plane could be cleared to fly by the end of this summer.
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Old May 14, 2019, 2:48 pm
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Latest timetable: eff. May 23 to August 25, 2019

And another weekly PDF timetable updated now eff. May 23 to August 25, 2019
https://services.aircanada.com/porta...ABC975DFD72085

Wiki updated.

Here's the docdroid version for posterity and comparing against other recent PDF releases.
AC Timetable eff. May 23 to Aug 25, 2019

Originally Posted by yyznomad
And another weekly PDF timetable updated now eff. May 16 to August 18, 2019
https://services.aircanada.com/porta...ABC975DFD72085

Wiki updated.

Here's the docdroid version for posterity and comparing against other recent PDF releases.
AC Timetable eff. May 16 to Aug 18, 2019
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The aircraft type for my YUL-CDG flight in June has changed to a Qatar Airways A332 from AC's A333.
I am in J and the seat layout is 2-2-2.
I heard this is due to the 737 MAX grounding that resulted in bunch of aircraft getting reshuffled.
QR's bad old J seat with AC's food and service...kinda the worst of both worlds...I am not looking forward to taking this flight.
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Originally Posted by agjil
The aircraft type for my YUL-CDG flight in June has changed to a Qatar Airways A332 from AC's A333.
I am in J and the seat layout is 2-2-2.
I heard this is due to the 737 MAX grounding that resulted in bunch of aircraft getting reshuffled.
QR's bad old J seat with AC's food and service...kinda the worst of both worlds...I am not looking forward to taking this flight.
Yep!
Please let us know how it is and please post a trip report!

Originally Posted by WestAust
Mitigations

To mitigate the impact, Air Canada has substituted different aircraft on 737 MAX routes, including flying routes with similar-sized or larger aircraft. To help provide this replacement flying, the carrier has extended leases for three Airbus A320 and three Embraer 190 aircraft which were scheduled to exit the fleet.

Air Canada is also accelerating the in-take of six Airbus A321 aircraft from WOW Air into its fleet. For customer comfort, the first four of these aircraft, despite being less than three years old, are being reconfigured, equipped with Wi-Fi and repainted in Air Canada Rouge livery and will begin entering the fleet in May, a month earlier than scheduled. The remaining two will enter service later.

Working with Other Airlines

The carrier is working with other airlines to provide immediate extra capacity and provide alternative options to customers. Air Canada's Montreal-Frankfurt flight for the month of May will be operated by Star Alliance partner Lufthansa.

Air Canada is now finalizing capacity agreements with other airlines to temporarily operate flights on its behalf, subject to government approvals and conclusion of final documentation. Beginning June 15, Qatar Airways will operate one Airbus A330-200 on daily flights between Montreal and Barcelona and one Airbus A330-200 daily flight between Montreal and Paris. Beginning June 2, Omni Air International will operate flights with one Boeing 767-200ER aircraft between Vancouver and Honolulu and Maui.

Full news release
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...876555232.html
Originally Posted by rankourabu
Wow, quite the upgrade for those YUL BCN/CDG pax!
Wonder if it will be full on QR service/catering, or just the plane.
Originally Posted by cedric
Especially YUL-BCN, which was previously a Rouge flight. Service will be at AC standard:



https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...-canada-5.html
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Old May 15, 2019, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by agjil
The aircraft type for my YUL-CDG flight in June has changed to a Qatar Airways A332 from AC's A333.
I am in J and the seat layout is 2-2-2.
I heard this is due to the 737 MAX grounding that resulted in bunch of aircraft getting reshuffled.
QR's bad old J seat with AC's food and service...kinda the worst of both worlds...I am not looking forward to taking this flight.
You have the opportunity to change to the mainline flight.
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Old May 16, 2019, 5:43 pm
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Air Canada - Omni International

Hi All
After all my years of flying ACC I have a flight to book from YYZ to Honolulu HI, just been having a look at options on line for this flight, the connecting flight from YVR is with Omni International, I have never heard of this airline before and from some brief digging I have done online it looks like a charter flight.
So couple things! Does this collect ACC AQM and AQD and has anyone ever flown this Airline in the past

Any info would be good as I'm a little bit skeptical about it and almost ready to go the UA Route instead
Thank you all!
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Think military charter configuration. 17" width in economy; 18" width in "business".

I only go as far as SEA with AC now and then will hop on HA to get to HNL/OGG. No way will I fly Omni.
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