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Old Mar 12, 2019, 11:26 am
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Originally Posted by https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2019/737-airspace-closure.html
If you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.
Read below for more details.

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May 29, 2019
If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance
In compliance with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.Air Canada is now updating its May, June and July schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least September 02, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: "What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?". Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plansIf you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice. If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.

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March 19, 2019

UPDATED - INFORMATION ON IMPACTED ROUTES


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UPDATED - Air Canada Responds to Transport Canada's Closure of Canadian Airspace to the Boeing 737 MAX Aircraft

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-closure.html

March 19, 2019

If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance

In compliance with Transport Canada’s safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.

Air Canada is now updating its April and May schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least July 1, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: “What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?”. Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plans

If you currently have a reservation for a flight that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice.

If you purchased your ticket with Aeroplan, or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.


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March 13, 2019

Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible. Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres. Priority will be given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours. We appreciate our customers' patience.

If you'd like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section. We also advise you to check the status of your flight before heading to the airport.

We fully support Transport Canada's decision and will continue to work with them towards a resolution of this situation as soon as possible.

Alternate Travel Plans
If you currently have a reservation for a flight operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262).

If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your Travel agent, please contact them directly Some questions you may have are below with our answers, but if you can't find what you need, contact us at 1-888-247-2262, or reach out to us on on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines..

How many Boeing 737 MAX aircraft does Air Canada have?
Air Canada has a fleet of 24 Boeing 737 MAX-8 aircraft, which have been in operation since 2017. We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 737MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

Where do the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft fly to?
These aircraft operate flights across North America, to Mexico, the Caribbean, Hawaii, as well as from Atlantic Canada to London Heathrow.

How many Boeing 737 MAX flights are there each day, and how many passengers are affected?
We typically operate approximately 75 Boeing 737 MAX flights daily out of a total schedule of approximately 1,600 daily flights system-wide, representing less than six percent of our total flying.

We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 Boeing 737 MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?
We are making adjustments to our schedule to minimize the disruption to customers as much as possible, by optimizing the deployment of the rest of our fleet and looking at alternative options, including accommodating customers on other airlines.

As an example of some of our adjustments to Boeing 737 MAX flights cancelled, we have re-scheduled widebody aircraft to serve Hawaii starting today, March 13. Some flights will operate as scheduled with mainline or Air Canada Rouge aircraft, such as on Montreal-Martinique and Montreal-Guadeloupe. Other routes, notably Halifax-London and St. John's-London are cancelled in the short term, with customers being re-routed through our Montreal and Toronto hubs.

What should I do right now?
As changes are finalized in our flight schedule, customers whose flight times or flight numbers have changed can expect to receive an email detailing their updated itinerary. This information is also available in My Bookings on the Air Canada App.

If you are travelling soon, you can also contact us or your travel agent. Please understand that priority is being given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours.

We have also put in place a rebooking policy, space permitting, and without additional fees for affected customers. Given the magnitude of our Boeing 737 MAX operations, which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada's Call Centres.

Where can I go to for more information?
If you would like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section.

If you are travelling soon, you can contact us, reach out to our social media teams on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or call your travel agent.

We also advise you to check the status of your flight before going to the airport.

We thank all of our customers for their patience.

Will Air Canada cover my out-of-pocket expenses such as additional accommodation costs that I may incur as a result of these disruptions?
Our normal protocol for irregular events which are out of our control is in effect. We are regrettably unable to reimburse for such expenses.



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MONTREAL, March 13, 2019 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible but given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada call centres and we appreciate our customers' patience.

Customers are further advised to check the status of their flight on aircanada.com prior to going to the airport.

We fully support this decision and will continue to work with Transport Canada towards resolution of this situation as soon as possible.


SOURCE Air Canada

For further information: Isabelle Arthur (Montréal), [email protected], 514 422-5788; Peter Fitzpatrick (Toronto), [email protected], 416 263-5576; Angela Mah (Vancouver), [email protected], 604 270-5741; Internet: aircanada.com

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft




https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...to-london.html

Originally Posted by ac.com
Information on Air Canada Halifax-London and St. John’s-London service

March 12, 2019

Due to the UK's Civil Aviation Authority banning all Boeing 737 Max aircraft operations in the U.K. Air Canada has cancelled the following flights:

AC 860 Halifax London-Heathrow on March 12
AC861 London-Halifax on March 13
AC822 St. John’s-London on March 13
AC823London-St. John’s on March 14

We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible through our Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa hubs.

Affected customers may contact Air Canada Reservations to change their flights to another date free of charge.

As well, due to anticipated call volumes, customers can expect delays reaching Air Canada call centres, so we appreciate our customers’ patience.

Air Canada will provide updates as more information becomes available.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 5:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
And there it goes already: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1QZ2DB
Canada may no longer endorse the FAA certification. So back in two weeks, AC? DReam on.
Makes me wonder if the Dreamliner certificates need to be probed as well. The questions is: what else don't we know about these planes?
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Leeham News posted today they estimate 6-8 weeks.
But that would be with the FAA, assuming the FAA remains in Boeing's pocket. If TC wants to give their own look, might be significantly longer. Or never.
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Both YYC-PSP and YYC-OGG cancelled today, both 7M8 routes and lo and behold I saw two 7M8 parked at the far end of the airport while taxiing today.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 9:11 pm
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Yes, if you call in you shouldn't have a problem rerouting to more suitable flights as long as there is availability.
As a data point, I called into AC, got someone on the phone within 30 mins, and was able to change my SFO-YUL-FCO flight to a SFO-YYZ-FCO flight the day before, no problem at all ... looks like the SFO-YUL segment is now being serviced by a A320, so seems like a positive switch to route through YYZ and have lie-flats all the way to Rome.

In summary, it may be worthwhile to call in and stay on hold to deal with any flight changes (i.e. don't wait for them to re-route you).
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 9:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
And there it goes already: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1QZ2DB
Canada may no longer endorse the FAA certification. So back in two weeks, AC? DReam on.
So if the FAA finds the 737Max8 airworthy, but TC doesn't, would the Canadian airspace ban persist?

This could get ugly... Especially if the US retaliates against a Canadian airspace ban by banning domestic Canadian flights from US overflight.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 9:40 pm
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But that would be with the FAA, assuming the FAA remains in Boeing's pocket. If TC wants to give their own look, might be significantly longer. Or never.
TC will follow the FAA lead.

Go back to Garneau's interview last Monday: "I’m saying that Canada has a very high safety record in Canada, including with the Max 8. So it’s something that they [Canadians] should take seriously, the fact that we have an extremely good safety record in aviation. Our pilots are very well-trained.”

That belief hasn't changed. I'm willing to bet good money that the moment the software fix is approved, those 7M8s wil be back in the air. Never underestimate the power of Kool-aid.

Your best bet is EASA holding out.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 9:54 pm
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Makes me wonder if the Dreamliner certificates need to be probed as well. The questions is: what else don't we know about these planes?
Is there any general evidence after 7.5 years of operations and 800 aircraft delivered that some hidden safety risk is lurking in the 787 in any way similar to the 737MAX?

What it does bring into question is the extension of "type" qualification with respect to flight dynamics and training between the 737MAX and the previous generation.
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Is there any general evidence after 7.5 years of operations and 800 aircraft delivered that some hidden safety risk is lurking in the 787 in any way similar to the 737MAX?

What it does bring into question is the extension of "type" qualification with respect to flight dynamics and training between the 737MAX and the previous generation.
Agreed. Given that the 787 was a clean-sheet design, I'd be more inclined to ask questions about the freshly rolled-out 777-X. It shares similarities to the 737 situation in that it's another derivation of a decades-old type that to my knowledge will undergo a similar abbreviated certification process as did the Max.

We of course don't know if this new aircraft type will apply to Air Canada.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 11:36 pm
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So if the FAA finds the 737Max8 airworthy, but TC doesn't, would the Canadian airspace ban persist?

This could get ugly... Especially if the US retaliates against a Canadian airspace ban by banning domestic Canadian flights from US overflight.
There's no way that TC overrules the FAA. Not gonna happen. TC might quietly lobby the FAA behind closed doors and perhaps even be able to negotiate a minor compromise. But that's it
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 12:33 am
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There's no way that TC overrules the FAA. Not gonna happen. TC might quietly lobby the FAA behind closed doors and perhaps even be able to negotiate a minor compromise. But that's it
And that's why the max was grounded in Canada before the US...
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 8:21 am
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And that's why the max was grounded in Canada before the US...
And Garneau has still come out and said they might. Plus, since BBD is no longer in the airliner business, reciprocity has become moot.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 10:04 am
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Impacted route information

Wiki updated with the following impacted route information:

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Wiki updated with the following impacted route information:

YUL-YYZ is absent from this list.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by jasdou
YUL-YYZ is absent from this list.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's what AC is showing at this time...

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-closure.html
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YUL-YYZ is absent from this list.
So is YYC-YYZ. Presumably means there won't be major schedule changes, just using A319/A320/A321s instead of Max?
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