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Originally Posted by https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2019/737-airspace-closure.html
If you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.
Read below for more details.

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May 29, 2019
If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance
In compliance with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.Air Canada is now updating its May, June and July schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least September 02, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: "What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?". Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plansIf you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice. If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.

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March 19, 2019

UPDATED - INFORMATION ON IMPACTED ROUTES


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UPDATED - Air Canada Responds to Transport Canada's Closure of Canadian Airspace to the Boeing 737 MAX Aircraft

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-closure.html

March 19, 2019

If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance

In compliance with Transport Canada’s safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.

Air Canada is now updating its April and May schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least July 1, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: “What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?”. Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plans

If you currently have a reservation for a flight that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice.

If you purchased your ticket with Aeroplan, or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.


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March 13, 2019

Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible. Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres. Priority will be given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours. We appreciate our customers' patience.

If you'd like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section. We also advise you to check the status of your flight before heading to the airport.

We fully support Transport Canada's decision and will continue to work with them towards a resolution of this situation as soon as possible.

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If you currently have a reservation for a flight operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262).

If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your Travel agent, please contact them directly Some questions you may have are below with our answers, but if you can't find what you need, contact us at 1-888-247-2262, or reach out to us on on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines..

How many Boeing 737 MAX aircraft does Air Canada have?
Air Canada has a fleet of 24 Boeing 737 MAX-8 aircraft, which have been in operation since 2017. We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 737MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

Where do the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft fly to?
These aircraft operate flights across North America, to Mexico, the Caribbean, Hawaii, as well as from Atlantic Canada to London Heathrow.

How many Boeing 737 MAX flights are there each day, and how many passengers are affected?
We typically operate approximately 75 Boeing 737 MAX flights daily out of a total schedule of approximately 1,600 daily flights system-wide, representing less than six percent of our total flying.

We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 Boeing 737 MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?
We are making adjustments to our schedule to minimize the disruption to customers as much as possible, by optimizing the deployment of the rest of our fleet and looking at alternative options, including accommodating customers on other airlines.

As an example of some of our adjustments to Boeing 737 MAX flights cancelled, we have re-scheduled widebody aircraft to serve Hawaii starting today, March 13. Some flights will operate as scheduled with mainline or Air Canada Rouge aircraft, such as on Montreal-Martinique and Montreal-Guadeloupe. Other routes, notably Halifax-London and St. John's-London are cancelled in the short term, with customers being re-routed through our Montreal and Toronto hubs.

What should I do right now?
As changes are finalized in our flight schedule, customers whose flight times or flight numbers have changed can expect to receive an email detailing their updated itinerary. This information is also available in My Bookings on the Air Canada App.

If you are travelling soon, you can also contact us or your travel agent. Please understand that priority is being given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours.

We have also put in place a rebooking policy, space permitting, and without additional fees for affected customers. Given the magnitude of our Boeing 737 MAX operations, which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada's Call Centres.

Where can I go to for more information?
If you would like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section.

If you are travelling soon, you can contact us, reach out to our social media teams on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or call your travel agent.

We also advise you to check the status of your flight before going to the airport.

We thank all of our customers for their patience.

Will Air Canada cover my out-of-pocket expenses such as additional accommodation costs that I may incur as a result of these disruptions?
Our normal protocol for irregular events which are out of our control is in effect. We are regrettably unable to reimburse for such expenses.



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MONTREAL, March 13, 2019 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible but given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada call centres and we appreciate our customers' patience.

Customers are further advised to check the status of their flight on aircanada.com prior to going to the airport.

We fully support this decision and will continue to work with Transport Canada towards resolution of this situation as soon as possible.


SOURCE Air Canada

For further information: Isabelle Arthur (Montréal), [email protected], 514 422-5788; Peter Fitzpatrick (Toronto), [email protected], 416 263-5576; Angela Mah (Vancouver), [email protected], 604 270-5741; Internet: aircanada.com

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft




https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...to-london.html

Originally Posted by ac.com
Information on Air Canada Halifax-London and St. John’s-London service

March 12, 2019

Due to the UK's Civil Aviation Authority banning all Boeing 737 Max aircraft operations in the U.K. Air Canada has cancelled the following flights:

AC 860 Halifax London-Heathrow on March 12
AC861 London-Halifax on March 13
AC822 St. John’s-London on March 13
AC823London-St. John’s on March 14

We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible through our Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa hubs.

Affected customers may contact Air Canada Reservations to change their flights to another date free of charge.

As well, due to anticipated call volumes, customers can expect delays reaching Air Canada call centres, so we appreciate our customers’ patience.

Air Canada will provide updates as more information becomes available.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:20 pm
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I wonder how this will impact the rest of the narrowbody schedule for those flights that aren't operated by the 7M8. Guess it's still early, but you'd think AC has had a few days to plan this out.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by sweden05
Anyone have experience with longer-haul rebooking yet? (Not in the YYZ-YOW-YUL triangle...) I’m currently in SXM with a return flight on Saturday. I called AC shortly after the news broke and they weren’t sure what to do yet.

I’m guessing at this point it’s wiser to request re-booking via alternate carriers ASAP vs waiting for them to find an unlikely spare aircraft. I guess if they operate the flight after all, I can always switch back...
For Martinique and Guadeloupe they have been subbing rouge A321 so far. I assume SXM will be the same
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by jjlm
I am scheduled on a reward flight on March 18 on AC 552 YVR to LAX on a 737 MAX. Hoping Aeroplan will waive cancellation fees and refund full points. Not sure if it is connected to the grounding issue and increased website demand, but the Aeroplan site is down for maintenance. I have gone ahead and rebooked on a paid fair to LAX on a 320. Anyone seen anything from Aeroplan on its response to the grounding? Clearly alternate reward flights won't be available.
Aeroplan is generally pretty good about buying revenue tickets for schedule changes. But if you just want a refund, and your flight is ACTUALLY cancelled, I don't see an issue. If it gets swapped for a 320 leaving at the same time, I think you'll have a much tougher battle.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by skybluesea


still presumes causation are linked - if one is design and another is terrorism - then aircraft type itself is meaningless.

this is like saying avoid Malaysian Airlines with poor safety outcomes because of two hull losses in short order - but first ignore the surface-to-Air missle launch
I am very confused by many of your points...

Yesterday you were fully in support of the Canadian stance, and now that you don't like the result, your opinion changes. New evidence has come to light that shows a correlation between the two accidents, this is more than enough reason to ground the aircraft! You wanted evidence and facts, so I ask, is this not sufficient evidence in your eyes?
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:29 pm
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Interesting interpretation of the situation here by someone who appears to be knowledgable on the subject... (edited to add, Post #31 )

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topi...boeing/?page=2

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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:31 pm
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Grounded in the US now as well.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:38 pm
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I rebooked a flight from YUL to YVR a month from now. Took the earlier flight on a 787. It was R1 so wanted to do it as soon as possible

Wait time of approximately 20 minutes but super quick and knowledgeable agent on the phone. It litteraly took less than a minute to do the work (including rebooking, reporcessing of the upgrade and seat selection)

She sounded a bit overwhelmed. In French, I would say she had the "broue dans le toupette!"

Sorry for cluttering the lines
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by sweden05
I called AC shortly after the news broke and they weren’t sure what to do yet.
Originally Posted by Jebby_ca
Guess it's still early, but you'd think AC has had a few days to plan this out.
I wonder how much lead time they needed? a few of us in this group foresaw this eventuality and suggested AC execs start making plans as early as Sunday, the day of the latest crash.

Originally Posted by CZAMFl, er, Armchair Airline Exec
I smell a global grounding coming, based upon suspicion only. I'd be happy to be wrong, however I trust some AC execs & managers have been called into work this fine Sunday. A mandated grounding of any length would create chaos for schedules in the short term, undermine long-term consumer confidence in the aircraft in the medium-term and possibly alter fleet-planning direction in the long-term.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:48 pm
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AC536 & 537 YVR/OGG/YVR for today is now being operated by a 77W turning off PEK.

Edit: 77W now operating to HNL. B789 operating to OGG.

The day flights are being cancelled and consolidated onto the evening/red eye flights.

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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer
I wonder how much lead time they needed? a few of us in this group foresaw this eventuality and suggested AC execs start making plans as early as Sunday, the day of the latest crash.
My flight tomorrow is scheduled to be operated by an A321. Plane is flying into YYC tonight... but the flight leaving YYC has been cancelled. They're either taking the A321 to replace a 7M8, or there is another A321 lying around in Toronto to operate my flight. Or they're consolidating some of the YVR - YYZ flights into a widebody.
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Originally Posted by mjrobson
Grounded in the US now as well.
Yep. There's the final shoe to drop.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/b...a-737-max.html
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Grounded in the US now as well.
Trump said any Max aircraft currently in the air would be allowed to land. That was awfully nice of him.
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Originally Posted by Symmetre
Trump said any Max aircraft currently in the air would be allowed to land. That was awfully nice of him.
LOLOL
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Symmetre
Trump said any Max aircraft currently in the air would be allowed to land. That was awfully nice of him.
Well, they could have done it the Delta way...
https://www.theonion.com/133-dead-as...air-1819568121
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Saw this Re: EU compensation - from Flight Global:

EU carriers not obliged to compensate 737 Max passengers

  • 13 Mar 2019 02:16 GMT-07:00
UK regulators have indicated that passengers will not be due compensation under European Union rules as a result of the suspension of Boeing 737 Max services.

The Civil Aviation Authority considers the grounding of an aircraft type to be an “extraordinary circumstance” as defined by EU regulations.

Such circumstances exempt operators from having to offer compensation to passengers suffering substantial flight delays.

"Airlines will still be required to provide care and assistance to consumers, and to re-route them to their final destination if the consumer still wishes to travel,” states the CAA.

“But [carriers] will not be required to financially compensate them.”

It adds, however, that airlines will be required to show that they took “all reasonable measures” to avoid cancellations to services including the possible leasing of other aircraft to supplement capacity.

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