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Originally Posted by https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2019/737-airspace-closure.html
If you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.
Read below for more details.

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May 29, 2019
If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance
In compliance with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.Air Canada is now updating its May, June and July schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least September 02, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: "What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?". Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plansIf you currently have a reservation for a flight between now and September 02, 2019 that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice. If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.

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March 19, 2019

UPDATED - INFORMATION ON IMPACTED ROUTES


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UPDATED - Air Canada Responds to Transport Canada's Closure of Canadian Airspace to the Boeing 737 MAX Aircraft

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-closure.html

March 19, 2019

If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, call:

1-833-354-5963

If you booked through a Travel Agency, please call them for immediate assistance

In compliance with Transport Canada’s safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations, Air Canada has grounded its 24 737 MAX aircraft until further notice.

Air Canada is now updating its April and May schedule to further optimize its fleet and re-accommodate customers. Because the timeline for the return to service of the 737 Max is unknown, for planning purposes and to provide customers certainty for booking and travel, Air Canada is removing all 737 MAX aircraft from its schedule until at least July 1, 2019. A summary of schedule changes for April is posted below in the following question and answer: “What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?”. Additional schedule changes will be posted as warranted.
  • Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers.
  • We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible.
  • Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres.
  • If you are travelling within the next 72 hours, please call the number at the top of this page.
  • If you booked through a Travel Agent, you may contact them directly for assistance.
We appreciate our customers' patience as we work to get everyone on their way.

If you'd like to make other plans

If you currently have a reservation for a flight that was scheduled to be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262). If you are travelling in the next 72 hours, please call Air Canada Reservations number at the top of this notice.

If you purchased your ticket with Aeroplan, or Air Canada Vacations or your travel agent, please contact them directly.


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March 13, 2019

Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible. Given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada Call Centres. Priority will be given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours. We appreciate our customers' patience.

If you'd like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section. We also advise you to check the status of your flight before heading to the airport.

We fully support Transport Canada's decision and will continue to work with them towards a resolution of this situation as soon as possible.

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If you currently have a reservation for a flight operated by a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, we've implemented a policy that makes it possible for you to make voluntary changes to your itinerary within three (3) weeks of your original travel dates.

If you are impacted by this policy, you may contact Air Canada Reservations (1-888-247-2262).

If you purchased your ticket with AeroplanExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or Air Canada Vacations or your Travel agent, please contact them directly Some questions you may have are below with our answers, but if you can't find what you need, contact us at 1-888-247-2262, or reach out to us on on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines..

How many Boeing 737 MAX aircraft does Air Canada have?
Air Canada has a fleet of 24 Boeing 737 MAX-8 aircraft, which have been in operation since 2017. We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 737MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

Where do the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft fly to?
These aircraft operate flights across North America, to Mexico, the Caribbean, Hawaii, as well as from Atlantic Canada to London Heathrow.

How many Boeing 737 MAX flights are there each day, and how many passengers are affected?
We typically operate approximately 75 Boeing 737 MAX flights daily out of a total schedule of approximately 1,600 daily flights system-wide, representing less than six percent of our total flying.

We have a total fleet of 400 aircraft (including 24 Boeing 737 MAX), comprising Air Canada mainline, Air Canada Rouge and Air Canada Express aircraft.

What is Air Canada doing to reschedule customers?
We are making adjustments to our schedule to minimize the disruption to customers as much as possible, by optimizing the deployment of the rest of our fleet and looking at alternative options, including accommodating customers on other airlines.

As an example of some of our adjustments to Boeing 737 MAX flights cancelled, we have re-scheduled widebody aircraft to serve Hawaii starting today, March 13. Some flights will operate as scheduled with mainline or Air Canada Rouge aircraft, such as on Montreal-Martinique and Montreal-Guadeloupe. Other routes, notably Halifax-London and St. John's-London are cancelled in the short term, with customers being re-routed through our Montreal and Toronto hubs.

What should I do right now?
As changes are finalized in our flight schedule, customers whose flight times or flight numbers have changed can expect to receive an email detailing their updated itinerary. This information is also available in My Bookings on the Air Canada App.

If you are travelling soon, you can also contact us or your travel agent. Please understand that priority is being given to customers travelling within the next 72 hours.

We have also put in place a rebooking policy, space permitting, and without additional fees for affected customers. Given the magnitude of our Boeing 737 MAX operations, which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada's Call Centres.

Where can I go to for more information?
If you would like to know what type of aircraft you are flying on, simply retrieve your booking from the My Bookings tab, then click on the 'Details' link in the Flight Details section.

If you are travelling soon, you can contact us, reach out to our social media teams on FacebookExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. or TwitterExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines., or call your travel agent.

We also advise you to check the status of your flight before going to the airport.

We thank all of our customers for their patience.

Will Air Canada cover my out-of-pocket expenses such as additional accommodation costs that I may incur as a result of these disruptions?
Our normal protocol for irregular events which are out of our control is in effect. We are regrettably unable to reimburse for such expenses.



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MONTREAL, March 13, 2019 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada's safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada's cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible but given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada call centres and we appreciate our customers' patience.

Customers are further advised to check the status of their flight on aircanada.com prior to going to the airport.

We fully support this decision and will continue to work with Transport Canada towards resolution of this situation as soon as possible.


SOURCE Air Canada

For further information: Isabelle Arthur (Montréal), [email protected], 514 422-5788; Peter Fitzpatrick (Toronto), [email protected], 416 263-5576; Angela Mah (Vancouver), [email protected], 604 270-5741; Internet: aircanada.com

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft




https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...to-london.html

Originally Posted by ac.com
Information on Air Canada Halifax-London and St. John’s-London service

March 12, 2019

Due to the UK's Civil Aviation Authority banning all Boeing 737 Max aircraft operations in the U.K. Air Canada has cancelled the following flights:

AC 860 Halifax London-Heathrow on March 12
AC861 London-Halifax on March 13
AC822 St. John’s-London on March 13
AC823London-St. John’s on March 14

We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible through our Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa hubs.

Affected customers may contact Air Canada Reservations to change their flights to another date free of charge.

As well, due to anticipated call volumes, customers can expect delays reaching Air Canada call centres, so we appreciate our customers’ patience.

Air Canada will provide updates as more information becomes available.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by Stranger
I would not question Garneau's integrity or even judgement. Decisions like these are inherently political. This is about balancing risks on one hand, and the inconvenience to airlines *and* passengers in the case of a ban. In other words, that he takes input from AC and WS into account is unavoidable. OTOH, I am not sure I would refer to Sunwing as a "major operation." Not sure either if I would make the same decision that Garneau did, or how long he will be able to stick to it. No matter what, pressure will mount. Even if he is ultimately right, politically this might eventually hurt him. When neither AC pilots and cabin crews don't really want to work on the 7M8 (and no, I don't blame them), for how long can you keep forcing them?
Payload Specialist Garneau should take input from the people actually flying the planes whose lives are at stake instead of the high-priced lobbyists and executives or the American FAA who have ignored complaints about the Max.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ed-safety-flaw

Pilots repeatedly voiced safety concerns about the Boeing 737 Max 8 to federal authorities, with one captain calling the flight manual "inadequate and almost criminally insufficient" several months before Sunday's Ethiopian Air crash that killed 157 people, an investigation by The Dallas Morning News found.
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Originally Posted by YXEGeordie
By not charging change fees etc they have already tacitly admitted that their customers have legitimate concerns.
Not really. By not charging change fees they are recognizing that some of their customers have concerns. Whether they're legitimate or not remains to be seen, but either way, this is a good PR move for AC.

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He was cargo on the Space Shuttle.
Way to denigrate the accomplishments of one of ten Canadians to fly in space

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The argument isn't that he knows how to design or fly airplanes but rather that he has at least some training on the use of logic, evidence, statistics, etc.
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Exactly. As an EE (with at least a bachelor's degree in engineering) and an astronaut passenger, he would have some knowledge/training in logical reasoning, data, statistics, and the use of scientific evidence, but not the design of airplanes or how to fly them.
Exactly; he's trying to make a rational decision when a political or emotional one would be much easier. We'll see what he has to say in about 50 minutes.

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Might be true that differnt pilots might have done a better job and saved the day, but the root cause was the MCAS turning on when it should not.
But that's the thing; different pilots did do a better job and save the day -- as recently as the airplane's previous flight. Because they knew how to handle an erroneous MCAS activation.
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When you hear a politician say “in the abundance of caution, we are rescinding previous policy approvals”, what they really mean to say is “under no circumstances will I be blamed for taking no action just in case the hysteria is true “

and do EU ministers have new information that ET aircraft had maintenance issues before departure, because folks tend to forget that Lion Air had multiple reported sensor maintenance issues on previous flights that had not been properly addressed, but aircraft dispatched anyway, that left the pilots to deal with the stability issue. The blame must therefore go around for this tragedy.

and this is why the ban on the MAX is so troubling, because it completely denies the whole premise of SMS by putting sole blame on an aircraft type, when Lion Air clearly falls within the category of system failure.

but of course let’s not let the facts get in the way of good policymaking.
Try looking at it another way. Nobody knows the cause of ET yet. The grounding is simply saying that we want to wait for the facts so that we can make an informed decision. In the meantime, since we can't yet make an informed decision, we go to the safest possible place to wait for the facts. In this case, the safest possible place is planes on the ground. Not for long, just until the facts come out. Then we can make an informed decision based on the facts.
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Can we move the debate about Canada's transport minister to another thread? And keep this one about the 737Max
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But that's the thing; different pilots did do a better job and save the day -- as recently as the airplane's previous flight. Because they knew how to handle an erroneous MCAS activation.
Sure. But that does not mean the crash was the fault of the pilots. Just that they could have done better. Direct cause remains that the MCAS entered into action spuriously.
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Ok, then logically you consequently agree 77 should be grounded too as “we want to wait for the facts so that we can make an informed decision”.

The MH 370 mystery may never be solved, but OK to fly even with nearly zero prospect that an informed decision about 77 viability will ever be made, and I won’t repeat some of conspiracy theories re outside interference in fly by wire.

Grounding is the political equivalent of “somebody do something now” - and aviation security protocols are perfect example of how this nonsense view gets applied.
Big difference with the 777: first commercial flight was in 1995, first hull loss wasn't until 2008. The Max-8 doesn't even have 2 years under the belt, and has suffered 2 hull losses. Statistically, you simply cannot compare the two planes. 2 crashes in under 2 years of service is an appalling record for a modern jetliner, and as you keep droning on about rules-based certification, etc, brings to doubt whether there are fundamental flaws in the rules around certification.
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Sure. But that does not mean the crash was the fault of the pilots. Just that they could have done better. Direct cause remains that the MCAS entered into action spuriously.
"Just that they could have done better" implies precisely that "the crash was the fault of the pilots." Especially when doing better means not crashing.

The only reason pilots are there is to monitor the automation and take over control of the airplane when it's doing something that might put the passengers in danger.
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really, so why 2 vs 3 crashes, or 5 mos vs 5 years as statistically valid - these comparators are completely arbitrary, but common fallacy that

I think n crashes in five months corresponds to 12 n crashes in five years, no? And that a factor 12 while admittedly not that big, is reasonably significant.
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Garneau just announced that 7M8 and 7M9 are banned in Canada based on "new information" from satellite tracking data suggesting a possible (although not proven) similarity to LionAir.
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Marc Garneau has just announced a grounding of the Max based on new information showing similarities with the Lion Air crash.
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Garneau just announced that 7M8 and 7M9 are banned in Canada based on "new information" from satellite tracking data suggesting a possible (although not proven) similarity to LionAir.
That sounds serious.
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Marc Garneau has just announced a grounding of the Max based on new information showing similarities with the Lion Air crash.
Damn how long until they can reorganize their flight schedules? I assume they have been planning for this since Monday.
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