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Old Mar 8, 2019, 5:32 pm
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Does anyone think air Canada is going to be buying the Boeing 777x?

Does anyone think this would be good or bad for us as flyers?
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 5:33 pm
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No. Too big.
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 5:35 pm
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Based on this weeks announcement, there's always BA (and several others).
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 5:45 pm
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It's basically a 747-sided airplane. Too big except for a few niche markets.
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 5:58 pm
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Reminds me of a fun thread from some time ago photoshop and projected cain loads included)

Air Canada buying A380s? ; )

Also this one

Time for AC to consider A380's, at least for some lucrative routes?


Thus I am sure this thread might be the one for arguments why AC should buy the twin engine Big Bird with the fancy folding wings.

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Interesting article. AC's 777 and 787 fleet is relatively new and some a brand new so the question would be: would AC trade-in / trade up?

Boeing's 777X Will Benefit From the Airbus A380's Demise

Feb 18, 2019

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/...80-demise.aspx
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 6:28 pm
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Probably not good for the passengers anyway. 777 is not a good thing for passengers to begin with. Noise, long boarding/unboarding time, 3-4-3 in the back, etc.

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No,

Air Canada needs to get much more demand and then convert that demand into revenue paying passengers at a profitable price point!
Existing 777 fleet and the 787 will suffice for now and of course the vintage 767 for Rouge
C series and Max are new and efficient, AC needs to focus on logistics and their soft product
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 6:48 pm
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They already fit 450 people on their 77W. They don’t need this massive plane.
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 6:55 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR72
They already fit 450 people on their 77W. They don’t need this massive plane.
More if you take out the middle bathrooms!
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 6:57 pm
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The 777x is the natural replacement for the existing 77W, which admittedly has lots of life left with AC. Is "too big" a statement of its seating capacity or its physical dimensions?

Boeing states a "typical seating" in the 777-9 version of 414 passengers, which should place it within the range of AC's current 777-300ER models, which seat 400-450 today. As for the size of the airplane, its wingspan will have little impact - it's the same as the 77W when wing tips are folded. Its length (3 metres longer than the 77W) may pose some difficulties for many airports. I know that YVR is receiving applications from airlines with 777-9s on order, and initial analysis presents some challenges in terms of where to gate them. They simply won't fit in many of the gates that Air Canada currently uses.
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 7:13 pm
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It’s more likely that AC adds the 787-10 for capacity on the higher volume transatlantic routes than an aircraft that would seat 500 or more in a typical AC configuration. However there are a few routes (YUL-CDG and potentially YYZ-LHR) in the summer that might support it. It seems more likely with AC’s present strategy of increasing seasonal flights to Southern Hemisphere destinations in the northern winter, when transatlantic loads drop, of increasing frequency to places like LHR and CDG than using larger aircraft.
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR72
They already fit 450 people on their 77W. They don’t need this massive plane.
Ok, what am I missing here? I see capacity for 777-8 @ 365 and 777-9 @ 414

Layout 1 of the AC 77W has seating for 400 layout 2 for the AC77W is 450
Surely, it makes sense to have aircraft with a few extra seats to allow for the growing passenger numbers?
Do I have the 777X numbers wrong?
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
It's basically a 747-sided airplane. Too big except for a few niche markets.
In practical terms it's not any bigger than the current 777s. The 777-8 is sized midway between AC's current 777-200LR and the 777-300 ER. The 777-9 is only nine feet longer than the 777-300 ER.

Having said that, I agree, the 789 and 787-10 are the future.

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Ok, what am I missing here? I see capacity for 777-8 @ 365 and 777-9 @ 414

Layout 1 of the AC 77W has seating for 400 layout 2 for the AC77W is 450
Surely, it makes sense to have aircraft with a few extra seats to allow for the growing passenger numbers?
Do I have the 777X numbers wrong?
They're Boeing's numbers. That said, Boeing lists passenger capacity for the 777-300 ER as 365 in a three-class layout, and 396 in a two-class configuration. Hence the problem with AC shoehorning 450 poor sods into one of these things. It was never designed for that many people, much less in a three-class arrangement.
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 7:28 pm
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77W seating varies a lot between airlines. As low 212 for ANA and 468 for Air France (Caribbean configuration).
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Old Mar 8, 2019, 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Symmetre
The 777-9 is only nine feet longer than the 777-300 ER.
And yet, that mere nine feet precludes it from operating to some pretty important-to-AC airports.
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