AC 2019 Investor Day
Feb 28, 2019, 1:06 pm
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Feb 28, 2019, 1:22 pm
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Feb 28, 2019, 11:10 pm
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AC constructs it schedule so that Calgary, Ottawa, Winnipeg and Halifax are airports where passengers make regional connections. None of these airports are major hubs with large volumes of connections, but at the same time they do exist as connecting airports. Something you don't see all that much in the US system.
Feb 28, 2019, 11:27 pm
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Lack of judgement with the photo on page 126 showing the bull baiting. The ad agency blundered, and the executives who approved that photo need their posteriors kicked. Exceptionally stupid. Showing a guy with a beard and a loser tat, will not transform the activity into a cool hipster activity.
I see references to improved customer service and a recycled buzz word "consistency". No discussion on how it is to be achieved. And I see no reference to the previously proposed improved IROPs and weather contingency plan. No reference to a solution for the deflating J class seats either.
Well the report does say that it won't start flying them until 2020, although some aircraft might arrive for training purposes.
I see references to improved customer service and a recycled buzz word "consistency". No discussion on how it is to be achieved. And I see no reference to the previously proposed improved IROPs and weather contingency plan. No reference to a solution for the deflating J class seats either.
Well the report does say that it won't start flying them until 2020, although some aircraft might arrive for training purposes.
Mar 1, 2019, 8:32 am
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Mar 1, 2019, 8:31 pm
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Integrating new aircraft A220 • First aircraft to enter the fleet in 2019
Last January 14, at a media event at the 220 assembly plant in Mirabel Quebec, Mark Galardo, vice-president of network planning stated that Air Canada expects to take delivery of its first aircraft in late 2019 and to place the first aircraft into revenue service in January 2020. Yes, there are 537 firm orders as of January 2019, and I understand that there are at least 27 aircraft to be delivered ahead of AC. However, Air Canada is near the front of the delivery line and the Mirabel plant is on track to assemble 4 aircraft a month this year. It assembled 33 in total for 2018. The Alabama plant is due to be online Q3 2019. The new plant combined with upgrades at Mirabel are expected to boost assembly to 14 aircraft per month. Even if AB/BOM can not do better than 2018, it should still meet the delivery schedule.
In consideration of the aforementioned, I am confident that AC will receive its aircraft on time, and suggest that your expectation is too gloomy. Bombardier aerospace is not Bombardier rail and I don't think we will see a fiasco similar to the TTC trams. The aircraft are being built in Canada at a plant that has a track record of reliability and quality, unlike the trams which had electrical flaws that originated at the Mexican plant. If I am wrong, feel free to savage me in November 2019.
Mar 2, 2019, 9:33 am
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What changed? The presentation states;
Integrating new aircraft A220 • First aircraft to enter the fleet in 2019
Last January 14, at a media event at the 220 assembly plant in Mirabel Quebec, Mark Galardo, vice-president of network planning stated that Air Canada expects to take delivery of its first aircraft in late 2019 and to place the first aircraft into revenue service in January 2020. Yes, there are 537 firm orders as of January 2019, and I understand that there are at least 27 aircraft to be delivered ahead of AC. However, Air Canada is near the front of the delivery line and the Mirabel plant is on track to assemble 4 aircraft a month this year. It assembled 33 in total for 2018. The Alabama plant is due to be online Q3 2019. The new plant combined with upgrades at Mirabel are expected to boost assembly to 14 aircraft per month. Even if AB/BOM can not do better than 2018, it should still meet the delivery schedule.
In consideration of the aforementioned, I am confident that AC will receive its aircraft on time, and suggest that your expectation is too gloomy. Bombardier aerospace is not Bombardier rail and I don't think we will see a fiasco similar to the TTC trams. The aircraft are being built in Canada at a plant that has a track record of reliability and quality, unlike the trams which had electrical flaws that originated at the Mexican plant. If I am wrong, feel free to savage me in November 2019.
Integrating new aircraft A220 • First aircraft to enter the fleet in 2019
Last January 14, at a media event at the 220 assembly plant in Mirabel Quebec, Mark Galardo, vice-president of network planning stated that Air Canada expects to take delivery of its first aircraft in late 2019 and to place the first aircraft into revenue service in January 2020. Yes, there are 537 firm orders as of January 2019, and I understand that there are at least 27 aircraft to be delivered ahead of AC. However, Air Canada is near the front of the delivery line and the Mirabel plant is on track to assemble 4 aircraft a month this year. It assembled 33 in total for 2018. The Alabama plant is due to be online Q3 2019. The new plant combined with upgrades at Mirabel are expected to boost assembly to 14 aircraft per month. Even if AB/BOM can not do better than 2018, it should still meet the delivery schedule.
In consideration of the aforementioned, I am confident that AC will receive its aircraft on time, and suggest that your expectation is too gloomy. Bombardier aerospace is not Bombardier rail and I don't think we will see a fiasco similar to the TTC trams. The aircraft are being built in Canada at a plant that has a track record of reliability and quality, unlike the trams which had electrical flaws that originated at the Mexican plant. If I am wrong, feel free to savage me in November 2019.
What’s has changed? Nothing. bombardier aerospace has not been available to deliver on time from day one. They misssed their deliveries number by 10 or so last year and they are already behind on deliveries this year. AC first aircraft on the Production has just posted. There are over 40, not 27, aircraft ahead of it. Bombardier is delivering about 2 to 3 aircraft per month and It’s now March. Unless Bombardier/ Airbus can increase delivery to over 4 jets per month or jumps AC production up the line, it look like AC will not get their first aircraft unit 2020. Still hoping I’m wrong, but the math tells another story.
BTW, where did you get current delivery is around 4 per month? Only 2 aircraft per month have been dilivered so far this year.
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Mar 2, 2019, 11:17 am
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If the new production/assembly facilities are not operating by mid 2019, then yes, your position is unassailable. However, I don't think you took into consideration the new capacity coming online. To date, everything publicly released, indicates that Mirabel and Alabama are on the way. If true, then you will soon be enjoying the delights of the pride of Canada as you float through the skies riding in a new Air Canada 220.
Mar 2, 2019, 12:17 pm
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Their own production numbers. They started spitting out 4 a month at the end of 2018. They insist that they should be able to hit 14 / month at the end of 2019 once Alabama and the changes at Mirabel are in place mid 2019. The two new Mirabel assembly related buildings are supposed to be finished April/ May.
If the new production/assembly facilities are not operating by mid 2019, then yes, your position is unassailable. However, I don't think you took into consideration the new capacity coming online. To date, everything publicly released, indicates that Mirabel and Alabama are on the way. If true, then you will soon be enjoying the delights of the pride of Canada as you float through the skies riding in a new Air Canada 220.
If the new production/assembly facilities are not operating by mid 2019, then yes, your position is unassailable. However, I don't think you took into consideration the new capacity coming online. To date, everything publicly released, indicates that Mirabel and Alabama are on the way. If true, then you will soon be enjoying the delights of the pride of Canada as you float through the skies riding in a new Air Canada 220.
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Mar 2, 2019, 3:34 pm
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The first couple of months of the year is not a good indicator of what airframers expect to deliver over the course of the year. For example, Boeing only delivered 20 737's in January even though their production rate is supposed to be 52 per month. Airbus did a little bit better - delivering 33 320-series aircraft but they are supposed to be delivering 55 per month.
Mar 2, 2019, 3:43 pm
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The first couple of months of the year is not a good indicator of what airframers expect to deliver over the course of the year. For example, Boeing only delivered 20 737's in January even though their production rate is supposed to be 52 per month. Airbus did a little bit better - delivering 33 320-series aircraft but they are supposed to be delivering 55 per month.