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Adam Smith May 4, 2024 6:40 am


Originally Posted by YOWgary (Post 36207984)

Originally Posted by The Lev (Post 36207829)
Slots are obviously an issue, but AC seems to have been able to work around that in the past and is likely to continue to be able to do so in the future - somehow they got Airbus to give them A321XLR slots even though they are supposedly pretty much sold out until 2030.

Or they're a big enough customer to get pretty decent access, but not necessarily the front-of-the-line Emirates gets for buying widebodies fifty at a time.

AC's XLRs were originally slated for QR. While they were having their bunfight with Airbus, AC snapped up those slots. How much of that was relationship vs just being in the right place at the right time, who knows.


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 36208459)
Yes, configuration is key. TG has the 350 and I was not impressed because the J seat seat was narrow, and controls were terrible. It reminds me of the worn out Air Canada 330s that I have come to detest .I hope the new aircraft in the 330 series on order will offer an interior upgrade.

AC doesn't have any new 333s on order, just more ex-SQ planes. If they do get reconfigured, it will surely be to the same product AC is using on the other 333s in the fleet.


Originally Posted by PLeblond (Post 36209183)
SQ seems to use a combination of Stelia Aerospace Symphony seats (1-2-1 herringbone) on medium haul and a bespoke Jamco Business seats (1-2-1 not angled) on long haul and ultra-long haul.

I've only flown the LH/ULH version, and I also thought it was very poor. Very cramped. And it's the roomier version. I'm doing EWR-SIN next year for the novelty of it, but at the same time not looking forward to 18 hours in those seats.

If AC were ever you buy A350s, I would hope they'd pick a better product.

PLeblond May 4, 2024 6:56 am


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 36209355)
...I've only flown the LH/ULH version, and I also thought it was very poor. Very cramped. And it's the roomier version. I'm doing EWR-SIN next year for the novelty of it, but at the same time not looking forward to 18 hours in those seats.

If AC were ever you buy A350s, I would hope they'd pick a better product.

I'll happy take your place if you like and you can keep the SQMs... even in PY.

Admiral Ackbar May 4, 2024 8:51 am

Don't know who made the seats but the J pod (with door) that I flew on the ex-SU TK A350 was phenomenal

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7073c46579.jpg
.

WildcatYXU May 4, 2024 8:57 am

Some bad news about the 737 were posted on airliners.net:

Markus787 wrote:
From an employee town hall today, Mark Galardo shed more light on the 737 expansion
16 Max's will be entering the property, 5 announced previously + 11 fins that were announced in Q1 2024 earnings. Delivery will be 2024 for the 11.
5 will be in the current configuration (16J/153Y), and the others will be in their existing single class configuration (189Y I assume).
The 11 fins will remain full economy config for 12-18 months until they get the chance to reconfigure them.


Expressflyer900 , did you hear anything about it?

Codyul May 4, 2024 9:11 am


Originally Posted by WildcatYXU (Post 36209538)
Some bad news about the 737 were posted on airliners.net:

Markus787 wrote:
From an employee town hall today, Mark Galardo shed more light on the 737 expansion
16 Max's will be entering the property, 5 announced previously + 11 fins that were announced in Q1 2024 earnings. Delivery will be 2024 for the 11.
5 will be in the current configuration (16J/153Y), and the others will be in their existing single class configuration (189Y I assume).
The 11 fins will remain full economy config for 12-18 months until they get the chance to reconfigure them.


Expressflyer900 , did you hear anything about it?

Can confirm 👍🏼

PLeblond May 4, 2024 9:26 am


Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar (Post 36209528)
Don't know who made the seats but the J pod (with door) that I flew on the ex-SU TK A350 was phenomenal

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7073c46579.jpg
.

Appears to be Collins Aerospace.

Not sure why a lot of people like doors on their pods so much. I don't see the allure of being boxed.

Adam Smith May 4, 2024 9:50 am


Originally Posted by Codyul (Post 36209558)
Can confirm 👍🏼

Are they ex-Lynx aircraft?

vancouver25k May 4, 2024 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by PLeblond (Post 36209183)
SQ seems to use a combination of Stelia Aerospace Symphony seats (1-2-1 herringbone) on medium haul and a bespoke Jamco Business seats (1-2-1 not angled) on long haul and ultra-long haul.

Have you tried both?

No, just the ULH

PLeblond May 4, 2024 2:49 pm

So the seats vancouver25k hates, Admiral Ackbar finds phenomenal.

Gotta love it.

Deathray May 4, 2024 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by WildcatYXU (Post 36209538)
Some bad news about the 737 were posted on airliners.net:

Markus787 wrote:
From an employee town hall today, Mark Galardo shed more light on the 737 expansion
16 Max's will be entering the property, 5 announced previously + 11 fins that were announced in Q1 2024 earnings. Delivery will be 2024 for the 11.
5 will be in the current configuration (16J/153Y), and the others will be in their existing single class configuration (189Y I assume).
The 11 fins will remain full economy config for 12-18 months until they get the chance to reconfigure them.


Expressflyer900 , did you hear anything about it?

The published Q1 earnings guidance mentions delivery in 2024 and in-service in 2025 after reconfiguration. Maybe they are referring to decor and paint only instead of the cabin layout?

Full Y 7M8s will be terrible. Fleet consistency takes another step back and I can only imagine the mess that will ensue with equipment swaps resulting in both paid J downgrades and eup downgrades. Being YEG based, my default assumption is that we will be getting shafted somehow.

YYJ _SLF May 9, 2024 4:17 pm

My wife and I are on FIN 420 right now in 2A and 2C. It is an ex-Alaska A320 that has been refurbished. Only 12 J seats and no IFE. The J seats are nicer than the usual YVR - YWG equipment.

It is operating as AC 294 which is YVR - YWG and it is the FIN’s inaugural AC revenue flight which is kind of cool for an av geek like me.

We were about 75 minutes late pushing back. There was a discrepancy between load data on board and the data at central load services in Toronto. They also had a problem loading the catering.

My guess that is a positioning flight to get the frame to central / eastern Canada where it will live.

Pierre, our SD handled everything professionally and with aplomb and humour.

briguychau May 9, 2024 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by YYJ _SLF (Post 36222847)
It is an ex-Alaska A320 that has been refurbished.

Any pics of the interior?


Originally Posted by YYJ _SLF (Post 36222847)
My guess that is a positioning flight to get the frame to central / eastern Canada where it will live.

Today's flights:
YVR-YWG AC294
YWG-YVR AC299
YVR-YEG AC250

Starting tomorrow:
YEG-YVR-YEG x3, AC233/236/241/240/245/250

Codyul May 9, 2024 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by YYJ _SLF (Post 36222847)
My wife and I are on FIN 420 right now in 2A and 2C. It is an ex-Alaska A320 that has been refurbished. Only 12 J seats and no IFE. The J seats are nicer than the usual YVR - YWG equipment.

It is operating as AC 294 which is YVR - YWG and it is the FIN’s inaugural AC revenue flight which is kind of cool for an av geek like me.

We were about 75 minutes late pushing back. There was a discrepancy between load data on board and the data at central load services in Toronto. They also had a problem loading the catering.

My guess that is a positioning flight to get the frame to central / eastern Canada where it will live.

Pierre, our SD handled everything professionally and with aplomb and humour.

Memo today let us know all interim fins (417-420, 421-422) will be based in YVR.
None will have IFE until the reconfig. 417-420 will have wifi and in-seat power. 421-422 will not have either.
And yes they will all have 4 cabin crew even tho they will be capped at 150 seats. 421-422 will only have 8J and will block off 8 seats in Y.

YYJ _SLF May 9, 2024 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by briguychau (Post 36222992)
Any pics of the interior?



Today's flights:
YVR-YWG AC294
YWG-YVR AC299
YVR-YEG AC250

Starting tomorrow:
YEG-YVR-YEG x3, AC233/236/241/240/245/250

Clearly a bad guess in my part. Onboard WiFi is painfully slow so I didn’t even think to check the accuracy of my guess.

No pics of the seats but the ones in J are fine. Y looked very cramped but I am not a good judge of Y cabins.

The power on 420 worked once Pierre turned it on as did the WiFi.

There was a bit of nuance missing wrt IFE. It sounded like it wasn’t working during the pre-boarding announcement when, in fact, there was no IFE hardware on board at all.

There were a lot of unhappy people who had confirmed eUps before the two changes of equipment for the flight which ultimately ended up being 420.

I don’t play in the eUp space but if I did, I would question the strategy of booking “upper economy” with instant eUps if equipment on frequent routes has a risk of substitutions with equipment with a material reduction in the ratio of J to Y seats.

Leyland1989 May 10, 2024 5:37 am

I lost count of how many cabin variations there is in AC's narrow bodies fleet and it's going to get worse when the Y189 MAX joining next year...

XM A319
Rouge A319

XM A320
ex-AS A320
ex-CZ A320
Refurb A320

XM A321
ex-BR A321
Refurb A321

38M
Y189 38M


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