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Background
It is intended that this wiki will be updated periodically using new fleet plans from future quarterly disclosures, presentations or press releases by AC, or information from other sources (e.g. Planespotters), and that anyone is free to update the wiki. The data in the wiki is intended to be as up-to-date as possible.
Fleet Evolution Over Time
This spreadsheet contains data on AC's fleet back to 2005, and includes numerous charts that detail the evolution of various types in the fleet from then until the present.
Overview of Current Fleet and Future Plans
Mainline Widebody Fleet
Boeing 777-300ER (77W)
Current: 19
Future plans: no changes planned
Boeing 777-200LR (77L)
Current: 6
Future plans: no changes planned
Boeing 787-10 (781)
Current: 0
Future plans: 18 aircraft to be delivered between Q4 of 2025 and Q1 of 2027; options for a further 12 aircraft
Boeing 787-9 (789)
Current: 31
Future plans: +1 in 2024
Boeing 787-8 (788)
Current: 8
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A330-300 (333)
Current: 18
Future plans: +2 in 2024
Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
AC has announced plans to acquire 30 A321 XLRs, with deliveries from 2025 to 2027, plus options for 15 additional aircraft with deliveries from 2027 to 2030. See this thread
Airbus A321 (321)
Current: 16
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A320 (320)
Current: 18 (including 4 configured for Jetz)
Future plans: +3 in 2024
Airbus A319 (319)
Current: 7
Future plans: -2 in 2024
Boeing 737-8 (7M8)
Current: 40
Future plans: +5 in 2025
AC holds purchase options for 10 additional aircraft (7M7, 7M8, or 7M9).
Airbus A220-300 (223)
Current: 33
Future plans: +2 in 2024, +7 in 2025, further 18 aircraft on order
AC holds options for 15 additional aircraft.
rouge Narrowbody Fleet
Airbus A321 (321)
Current: 17
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A320 (320)
Current: 5
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A319 (319)
Current: 18
Future plans: no changes planned
Express Fleet
All regional aircraft are operated by Jazz, with the exception of a small number of DH4s operated by PAL Airlines in Atlantic Canada.
Embraer 175 (E75)
Current: 25
Future plans: no changes planned
Bombardier CRJ-900 (CR9)
Current: 35
Future plans: no changes planned
Bombardier CRJ-200 (CRJ)
Current: 15
Future plans: -7 in 2024
Bombardier Q400 (DH4)
Current: 43
Future plans: no changes planned
The last of the DH3 fleet was retired in early 2022.
AC has announced plans to acquire 30 Heart ES-30 hybrid regional aircraft, with entry in to service in 2028. See this thread
Cargo Fleet
Boeing 767-300F
Current: 8
Future plans: +1 in 2024, +1 in 2025
Sources
Information above is based primarily on the fleet plan in Air Canada's 2023 Q4 MD&A, as of February 16, 2024, with updates based on information from planespotters.net, press releases, and other sources.
It is intended that this wiki will be updated periodically using new fleet plans from future quarterly disclosures, presentations or press releases by AC, or information from other sources (e.g. Planespotters), and that anyone is free to update the wiki. The data in the wiki is intended to be as up-to-date as possible.
Fleet Evolution Over Time
This spreadsheet contains data on AC's fleet back to 2005, and includes numerous charts that detail the evolution of various types in the fleet from then until the present.
Overview of Current Fleet and Future Plans
Mainline Widebody Fleet
Boeing 777-300ER (77W)
Current: 19
Future plans: no changes planned
Boeing 777-200LR (77L)
Current: 6
Future plans: no changes planned
Boeing 787-10 (781)
Current: 0
Future plans: 18 aircraft to be delivered between Q4 of 2025 and Q1 of 2027; options for a further 12 aircraft
Boeing 787-9 (789)
Current: 31
Future plans: +1 in 2024
Boeing 787-8 (788)
Current: 8
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A330-300 (333)
Current: 18
Future plans: +2 in 2024
Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
AC has announced plans to acquire 30 A321 XLRs, with deliveries from 2025 to 2027, plus options for 15 additional aircraft with deliveries from 2027 to 2030. See this thread
Airbus A321 (321)
Current: 16
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A320 (320)
Current: 18 (including 4 configured for Jetz)
Future plans: +3 in 2024
Airbus A319 (319)
Current: 7
Future plans: -2 in 2024
Boeing 737-8 (7M8)
Current: 40
Future plans: +5 in 2025
AC holds purchase options for 10 additional aircraft (7M7, 7M8, or 7M9).
Airbus A220-300 (223)
Current: 33
Future plans: +2 in 2024, +7 in 2025, further 18 aircraft on order
AC holds options for 15 additional aircraft.
rouge Narrowbody Fleet
Airbus A321 (321)
Current: 17
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A320 (320)
Current: 5
Future plans: no changes planned
Airbus A319 (319)
Current: 18
Future plans: no changes planned
Express Fleet
All regional aircraft are operated by Jazz, with the exception of a small number of DH4s operated by PAL Airlines in Atlantic Canada.
Embraer 175 (E75)
Current: 25
Future plans: no changes planned
Bombardier CRJ-900 (CR9)
Current: 35
Future plans: no changes planned
Bombardier CRJ-200 (CRJ)
Current: 15
Future plans: -7 in 2024
Bombardier Q400 (DH4)
Current: 43
Future plans: no changes planned
The last of the DH3 fleet was retired in early 2022.
AC has announced plans to acquire 30 Heart ES-30 hybrid regional aircraft, with entry in to service in 2028. See this thread
Cargo Fleet
Boeing 767-300F
Current: 8
Future plans: +1 in 2024, +1 in 2025
Sources
Information above is based primarily on the fleet plan in Air Canada's 2023 Q4 MD&A, as of February 16, 2024, with updates based on information from planespotters.net, press releases, and other sources.
Air Canada Master Fleet Changes Thread
Jan 26, 2020, 9:43 pm
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That said, given the Transat Customer experience it may not be worth keeping as the aircraft are already in an unacceptable tight configuration .....
Either way at the high level they should be making fleet decision across the variouse banners they have including Transat.
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Jan 26, 2020, 10:12 pm
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The flip is that I can't imagine any muggle understanding that Air Canada Rouge isn't really Air Canada and the $4 savings (if there was a head to head option, which there isn't) is worth it.
Air Canada should keep Transat as Transat, transfering many Rouge routes to them, not because Transat is or is not valuable, but because eventually those who travel Rouge will swear off the top billing name.
Jan 26, 2020, 11:12 pm
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Either way at the high level they should be making fleet decision across the variouse banners they have including Transat.
The flip is that I can't imagine any muggle understanding that Air Canada Rouge isn't really Air Canada and the $4 savings (if there was a head to head option, which there isn't) is worth it.
Air Canada should keep Transat as Transat, transfering many Rouge routes to them, not because Transat is or is not valuable, but because eventually those who travel Rouge will swear off the top billing name.
Air Canada should keep Transat as Transat, transfering many Rouge routes to them, not because Transat is or is not valuable, but because eventually those who travel Rouge will swear off the top billing name.
Or they book WestJet and then come back complaining about how terrible WestJet is.
So I don't know whether it matters that much whether they keep one, the other, or both of the rouge/Transat brands, from a marketing perspective.
Jan 27, 2020, 1:01 am
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I can't imagine anyone outside of Quebec having any loyalty to Transat, or even recognizing it as more than "maybe an airline".
The flip is that I can't imagine any muggle understanding that Air Canada Rouge isn't really Air Canada and the $4 savings (if there was a head to head option, which there isn't) is worth it.
Air Canada should keep Transat as Transat, transfering many Rouge routes to them, not because Transat is or is not valuable, but because eventually those who travel Rouge will swear off the top billing name.
The flip is that I can't imagine any muggle understanding that Air Canada Rouge isn't really Air Canada and the $4 savings (if there was a head to head option, which there isn't) is worth it.
Air Canada should keep Transat as Transat, transfering many Rouge routes to them, not because Transat is or is not valuable, but because eventually those who travel Rouge will swear off the top billing name.
bye bye rouge.
Jan 27, 2020, 6:44 pm
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I could see the Transat name just referring to the package holiday part of the business, and not the airline part.
I could also see a name like Transat Air Canada being used, with the Transat being a different font / colour than the Air Canada bit, as a way to try to link the brands. To continue selling US customers connections on to Europe they kind of need the AC name as part of the brand, IMO.
I could also see a name like Transat Air Canada being used, with the Transat being a different font / colour than the Air Canada bit, as a way to try to link the brands. To continue selling US customers connections on to Europe they kind of need the AC name as part of the brand, IMO.
Jan 28, 2020, 1:23 pm
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@canadiancow since that's a bit broader question, I've replied to it here rather than in the CSeries thread...
Okay, fine, I've updated the spreadsheet to include the widebodies and rouge too
Link is unchanged from the previous post.
Bottom line is the narrowbodies generally have a lot higher proportion of premium seats than the widebodies. J is similar, then add in PY, but very few preferred seats. Many of the widebodies have fewer preferred seats, in absolute terms, than the narrowbodies. It's an area where AC's strategy is different from a number of its competitors. For example, AC has 18 preferred seats in the 789. AA has 34 and UA has 88. UA also has way more J (48) and no PY, but AA is the same 30J 21PY.
Okay, fine, I've updated the spreadsheet to include the widebodies and rouge too
Link is unchanged from the previous post.Bottom line is the narrowbodies generally have a lot higher proportion of premium seats than the widebodies. J is similar, then add in PY, but very few preferred seats. Many of the widebodies have fewer preferred seats, in absolute terms, than the narrowbodies. It's an area where AC's strategy is different from a number of its competitors. For example, AC has 18 preferred seats in the 789. AA has 34 and UA has 88. UA also has way more J (48) and no PY, but AA is the same 30J 21PY.
Jan 28, 2020, 1:28 pm
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@canadiancow since that's a bit broader question, I've replied to it here rather than in the CSeries thread...
Okay, fine, I've updated the spreadsheet to include the widebodies and rouge too Link is unchanged from the previous post.
Bottom line is the narrowbodies generally have a lot higher proportion of premium seats than the widebodies. J is similar, then add in PY, but very few preferred seats. Many of the widebodies have fewer preferred seats, in absolute terms, than the narrowbodies. It's an area where AC's strategy is different from a number of its competitors. For example, AC has 18 preferred seats in the 789. AA has 34 and UA has 88. UA also has way more J (48) and no PY, but AA is the same 30J 21PY.
Okay, fine, I've updated the spreadsheet to include the widebodies and rouge too
Link is unchanged from the previous post.Bottom line is the narrowbodies generally have a lot higher proportion of premium seats than the widebodies. J is similar, then add in PY, but very few preferred seats. Many of the widebodies have fewer preferred seats, in absolute terms, than the narrowbodies. It's an area where AC's strategy is different from a number of its competitors. For example, AC has 18 preferred seats in the 789. AA has 34 and UA has 88. UA also has way more J (48) and no PY, but AA is the same 30J 21PY.
I knew the 788 was a tough upgrade, but it never occurred to me about the HD. I guess I only fly it on routes that don't sell much J (otherwise they'd fly a different aircraft), which means the absolute numbers don't necessarily mean as much.
Jan 28, 2020, 1:45 pm
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Yeah, if you're thinking about upgrades, the HD is definitely the worst, and 77L is best.
Feb 6, 2020, 1:11 am
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I've tidied up the wiki somewhat and also uploaded a spreadsheet that details the AC fleet going back to 2005. Don't worry, it's not all boring rows/columns of numbers, it has a bunch of colourful charts! You don't even have to look at the page with all the data!
One thing I noticed as I was updating the wiki is that I said upthread that all of AC's orders were for 7M8s with options to convert to 7M7s or 7M9s, but in fact AC did order some 7M9s. Wiki has been updated accordingly.
One thing I noticed as I was updating the wiki is that I said upthread that all of AC's orders were for 7M8s with options to convert to 7M7s or 7M9s, but in fact AC did order some 7M9s. Wiki has been updated accordingly.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:41 am
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Not sure which thread to put this in as fleet changes have been talked about in various threads. A few interesting items from today's MD&A:
2 additional A330s being added in 2020 bringing the fleet total to 17
All 5 mainline 767s staying until 2021
2 rouge 767s being removed from the fleet in 2020
From the analyst call today, AC has received initial compensation from Boeing, but the final agreement is not complete as they want to include the ability to change the order book with Boeing as part of the settlement. No further info about what that means, but I wonder if they want to dump the 11 7M9s they have on order.
2 additional A330s being added in 2020 bringing the fleet total to 17
All 5 mainline 767s staying until 2021
2 rouge 767s being removed from the fleet in 2020
From the analyst call today, AC has received initial compensation from Boeing, but the final agreement is not complete as they want to include the ability to change the order book with Boeing as part of the settlement. No further info about what that means, but I wonder if they want to dump the 11 7M9s they have on order.
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Feb 18, 2020, 9:08 am
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Not sure which thread to put this in as fleet changes have been talked about in various threads. A few interesting items from today's MD&A:
2 additional A330s being added in 2020 bringing the fleet total to 17
All 5 mainline 767s staying until 2021
2 rouge 767s being removed from the fleet in 2020
From the analyst call today, AC has received initial compensation from Boeing, but the final agreement is not complete as they want to include the ability to change the order book with Boeing as part of the settlement. No further info about what that means, but I wonder if they want to dump the 11 7M9s they have on order.
2 additional A330s being added in 2020 bringing the fleet total to 17
All 5 mainline 767s staying until 2021
2 rouge 767s being removed from the fleet in 2020
From the analyst call today, AC has received initial compensation from Boeing, but the final agreement is not complete as they want to include the ability to change the order book with Boeing as part of the settlement. No further info about what that means, but I wonder if they want to dump the 11 7M9s they have on order.
May not just dump the 7M9s, but reduce the number of 7M8s they're taking. Or maybe get an extension on their 789 options to preserve flexibility. Or maybe they could leverage the MAX debacle to get a good deal on some 789s to start replacing the rouge 763s. Wouldn't that be ironic?
Those mainline 763s just can't be killed
Feb 18, 2020, 9:59 am
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Interesting that Mainline 763s are staying but some Rouge 763s are leaving, although Mainline 763s are older. My guess is that AC need these 767s to serve some low demand European routes supposedly served by 7M8s.
Feb 18, 2020, 10:07 am
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You can see this in the mainline 320 retirements as well. AC has already retired one of the 1991 deliveries, even while a few of the 1990 planes (including the oldest one) are still flying around.
Age is a somewhat reasonable proxy for usage, but without access to the data, we don't know the really important numbers, i.e. the cycles/hours.