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It is intended that this wiki will be updated periodically using new fleet plans from future quarterly disclosures, presentations or press releases by AC, or information from other sources (e.g. Planespotters), and that anyone is free to update the wiki. The data in the wiki is intended to be as up-to-date as possible.


Fleet Evolution Over Time

This spreadsheet contains data on AC's fleet back to 2005, and includes numerous charts that detail the evolution of various types in the fleet from then until the present.


Overview of Current Fleet and Future Plans

Mainline Widebody Fleet

Boeing 777-300ER (77W)
Current: 19
Future plans: no changes planned

Boeing 777-200LR (77L)
Current: 6
Future plans: no changes planned

Boeing 787-10 (781)
Current: 0
Future plans: 18 aircraft to be delivered between Q4 of 2025 and Q1 of 2027; options for a further 12 aircraft

Boeing 787-9 (789)
Current: 31
Future plans: +1 in 2024

Boeing 787-8 (788)
Current: 8
Future plans: no changes planned

Airbus A330-300 (333)
Current: 18
Future plans: +2 in 2024

Mainline Narrowbody Fleet

AC has announced plans to acquire 30 A321 XLRs, with deliveries from 2025 to 2027, plus options for 15 additional aircraft with deliveries from 2027 to 2030. See this thread

Airbus A321 (321)
Current: 16
Future plans: no changes planned

Airbus A320 (320)
Current: 18 (including 4 configured for Jetz)
Future plans: +3 in 2024

Airbus A319 (319)
Current: 7
Future plans: -2 in 2024

Boeing 737-8 (7M8)
Current: 40
Future plans: +5 in 2025
AC holds purchase options for 10 additional aircraft (7M7, 7M8, or 7M9).

Airbus A220-300 (223)
Current: 33
Future plans: +2 in 2024, +7 in 2025, further 18 aircraft on order
AC holds options for 15 additional aircraft.

rouge Narrowbody Fleet

Airbus A321 (321)
Current: 17
Future plans: no changes planned

Airbus A320 (320)
Current: 5
Future plans: no changes planned

Airbus A319 (319)
Current: 18
Future plans: no changes planned

Express Fleet

All regional aircraft are operated by Jazz, with the exception of a small number of DH4s operated by PAL Airlines in Atlantic Canada.

Embraer 175 (E75)
Current: 25
Future plans: no changes planned

Bombardier CRJ-900 (CR9)
Current: 35
Future plans: no changes planned

Bombardier CRJ-200 (CRJ)
Current: 15
Future plans: -7 in 2024

Bombardier Q400 (DH4)
Current: 43
Future plans: no changes planned

The last of the DH3 fleet was retired in early 2022.

AC has announced plans to acquire 30 Heart ES-30 hybrid regional aircraft, with entry in to service in 2028. See this thread

Cargo Fleet

Boeing 767-300F
Current: 8
Future plans: +1 in 2024, +1 in 2025

Sources

Information above is based primarily on the fleet plan in Air Canada's 2023 Q4 MD&A, as of February 16, 2024, with updates based on information from planespotters.net, press releases, and other sources.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
.....Fair question. I believe Airbus is updating the paperwork to change it. Whether that's done or not, I don't know. I do know that Air Baltic uses "223" on their schedule.
Interestingly, on their booking pages

LX shows this



And DL shows this




I would assume that by the time AC receives their aircraft, it will show as an Airbus. Others here likely know better.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by kerry786
According to the AC website, the DH1 fleet is down to just 10 now.
Wow, they're not wasting any time.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 3:04 pm
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Nice work Adam. My perhaps premature thought is what the fleet planning folks are investigating in terms of longer-term widebody replacement for the 777s. Will they opt for the easy choice (777-9) or can Airbus present a compelling case to switch to the A359/10 series (assuming they can up the cargo capacity)? Despite an average age for the 777s only being 9+ years already - the older frames are already 12 years old - I'd imagine discussions have been underway for a while now.

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LX shows this...And DL shows this...I would assume that by the time AC receives their aircraft, it will show as an Airbus. Others here likely know better.
Well, yes AC will take receipt of the post-sale Airbus version, as did Delta, whereas the initial European operators took delivery of the type when known as the C-Series. It's likely a simple case of Swiss/Baltic not updating their websites, and (speculating here) perhaps not wishing to confuse passengers who find all the onboard literature, signage etc making mention of the C-Series. Or merely not bothering to expend the effort to change it all. From the outset, Air Canada planes will be delivered with 'Airbus' plastered on the fuselage, manuals, safety cards etc.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by WaytoomuchEurope
Funny, I haven't noticed it on the MAX. Selective hearing is a possibility, but more likely that I hear it less up front which is the only cabin I've enjoyed for the 7M8.
7M8 LEAP engines are much quieter than the CFM56.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 5:45 pm
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Originally Posted by WaytoomuchEurope
Funny, I haven't noticed it on the MAX. Selective hearing is a possibility, but more likely that I hear it less up front which is the only cabin I've enjoyed for the 7M8.
I haven't flown the MAX yet and I won't fly it until the MCAS problem is solved, so I can't compare . The 73G and 738 both had a very similar sound when sitting in front of the cabin. You can't hear the buzz saw sound when sitting behind the engine.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by WildcatYXU
I haven't flown the MAX yet and I won't fly it until the MCAS problem is solved, so I can't compare . The 73G and 738 both had a very similar sound when sitting in front of the cabin. You can't hear the buzz saw sound when sitting behind the engine.
That will get very hard for you soon And you will start getting unexpected swaps on any A319/A320/A321 routes.
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Old Feb 16, 2019, 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by WildcatYXU
C-GHEV has been delivered on Feb. 1.
This is GHEV. As a part owner of it, I can assure you, no part of it belongs to AC.

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Old Feb 16, 2019, 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by tracon
This is GHEV. As a part owner of it, I can assure you, no part of it belongs to AC.
Would the real C-GHEV please stand up?

https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/p...37ng-61227.htm

Is it a 1968 Cessna or a 2019 Boeing? Or both?

I think airfleets is wrong, as the reg of the latest Max delivery (fin 521) is GEHV:

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...leet/fins.html

Close, but no proverbial cigar.
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Old Feb 17, 2019, 12:02 am
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Originally Posted by WildcatYXU
MSN7383, C-GHEV has been delivered on Feb. 1.
The MSN (manufacturer's serial number) is 61227; the LN (line number) is 7383.
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Old Feb 17, 2019, 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by tracon
This is GHEV. As a part owner of it, I can assure you, no part of it belongs to AC.

Are you sure you don't have any CPA with AC? You know, for those really thin regional routes Anyway, great catch, thanks for the correction. That reg did seem strangely out of sequence, but I was too lazy to investigate

Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer
The MSN (manufacturer's serial number) is 61227; the LN (line number) is 7383.
Thanks for the correction.
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by YXUFlyboy
Is the aircraft code for A220-300 223 or CS3?
Aircraft code as defined by whom/which entity?

ICAO and IATA are unlikely to change their designations, as ownership changes have occurred in the past the ICAO and IATA designations have remained the same as defined by the original OEM.

Operators are free to define and use which ever marketing/business designation they choose - so as long as such a designation it is not already published by ICAO.

Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Thanks. I've updated the wiki. Of course, anyone is free to update it themselves
Fair question. I believe Airbus is updating the paperwork to change it. Whether that's done or not, I don't know. I do know that Air Baltic uses "223" on their schedule.
The type certificate paperwork has already been submitted and changes to the TCDS for the BD-500-1A10/1A11 have been published.
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 3:20 pm
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Driving by YHZ this afternoon I noticed about 5 Dash-8's parked just past the Cargojet hanger. They have plain white liveries with a blue tail. Are those former AC Express birds that have already been removed from the fleet?

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Old Feb 18, 2019, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by smallmj
Driving by YHZ this afternoon I noticed about 5 Dash-8's parked just past the Cargojet hanger. They have plain white liveries with a blue tail. Are those former AC Express birds that have already been removed from the fleet?

Since these look like Dash 8-300's they may actually be the 5 DH3s that AC is adding to the fleet. The DH1s are the ones leaving.
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by marke190
Since these look like Dash 8-300's they may actually be the 5 DH3s that AC is adding to the fleet. The DH1s are the ones leaving.
I agree - it looks to me like the 5 ex-Commutair/United Express DH3s that were recently retired.
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Old Feb 19, 2019, 5:25 am
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Originally Posted by marke190
Since these look like Dash 8-300's they may actually be the 5 DH3s that AC is adding to the fleet. The DH1s are the ones leaving.
I wasn't sure if they were 37 or 50 seaters, I guess I'm not a very good plane spotter. Though I did get a really nice long look at the Korean 777F from Highway 118 a few minutes earlier. No pics since I was driving.

I didn't know that they were adding 5 DH3s to the fleet. The Wiki says that they are removing 6 over the next two years. Does that mean that they are retiring 11 of the oldest but adding 5 newer birds?
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