monsieurcumulus

I think "they" was meant for Boeing. AC could consider this new type of plane even though they never flown the 757

Mikey Mike Mike

Having flown on the 767 from YOW to YYZ, I love it - and it's swept me up out of LGA too. (A most welcome sight after a 4 hour delay). My fondest memories however on the 767 remain the YHZ to LHR flights (except when they went via St Johns) with Halifax based crew. Even the YOW to YYZ afternoon flight is done well by senior crew on a LHR / FRA - YOW - YYZ sector. (must be tiring for them too!)

I wonder whether an A330 fits this route better than a 787-8 though clearly not on cost. Down-gauging to a max would be such a retrograde move. Family in Halifax HATE the max to Heathrow. Having flown Toronto to SFO on a max, I now avoid it and would take an A320/1 or a wide body just to avoid the max.

The wider issue, and it will emerge again with the withdrawal of the E190s is whether the replacement within the fleet is a like for like replacement. The A220 is larger and may not fit the profile of the YYZ to YOW route. Mind you, neither is the A319 which is making more of an appearance on the route as a emergency replacement. Where we are used to a certain aircraft and size on certain routes, this modernisation and consolidation of aircraft types will change both how AC and PAX both think

StuMcIlwain

I've had a lot of success with J award tickets on that route, which is not a good sign. Again, it only seems to be busy at peak travel times.

songsc

Stranger

RatherBeInYOW

The E190s on this route are a more recent thing, and even after AC backpedaled and put some A320s back on the route and fixed the evening timetable the E190s are still frequently at or over capacity. More capacity on YYZ-YOW would be a good thing.

I'd love to see the 788s on the YOW-LHR/FRA routes, just for the PE cabin alone, but as I noted above that is not what they crews on 888/889 are talking about; they say 7M8.

jcamp028

Yes, just booked a J award - TATL segment on YOW-FRA. Both YOW-LHR and YOW-FRA were pretty much wide open through aeroplan on a lot of dates during the summer. Was also able to burn my orphan A3 M+B points in order to score another J ticket, same route. Again, for that program, these two flights were showing up on a lot of dates through the summer.

One problem with the business class market on the YOW-LHR flight is that even though there would be a lot of government travel between the two cities, the route isn't long enough for business class travel to be authorized for the bureaucrats.

CloudsBelow

Don't know where you're getting most of the "insight" (using that term as loosely as possible) you've posted in this thread, but you should look for a new source

CloudsBelow

Elaborate? What are the seasonal LF ex YOW? What about the yield? How are the profits on the overwhelmingly O/D TATL passengers on AC's 767 sectors ex YOW?
What are the issues you think would render 737s unable to operate in/out of Ottawa? Are you referring to the rule 737s can't fly within 10NM of Parliament hill?

RatherBeInYOW

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1P82FT

Air Canada CEO: ?There Is Need? For NMA-Size Aircraft | AWIN_Commercial content from Aviation Week

As usual, you swoop in to be a .......... I don't need a source for that though.

CloudsBelow

Cool google search.
I was referring to this insight:

and this:
and this:

StuMcIlwain

Obviously no one here has that information. But I do know that it is routine for one midweek flight to not operate during off-peak times. I have observed that the plane is often not full and award seats are more readily available than say on YYZ-LHR. None of these are good signs that an upgauge would work.

I certainly hope the flight doesn't become a 7M8.

YOWCDNFF

At this point, it is clear that everything is clear speculation. I have heard some airport staff mentioning that A330 as a potential replacement, potentially seasonally - but when you think about it, with the A330 planes and crew being based in YUL - that doesn't make much sense. Although a decision may already have been made by AC, schedule is still showing 767 into next year. I was trying to look at the YOW YYZ schedule for clues and right now pretty much everything is showing E90 no not much help. So in summary...

• 767 could get ti survive the Winter 2020 schedule, as it is low season
• 7M8 could come in - and FF out of YOW won't be thrilled and may choose to connect elsewhere
• 788 or A330 could come in -resulting in an upgage - so could impact flight frequency, especially in the low season (For LHR).

All that to say... we will know when we will know

RatherBeInYOW

My source for the 7M8 rumors are numerous discussions with crew who operate 888/889 over the last year or so, who have told me explicitly they have heard that 888/889 is moving to the 7M8 once the 767 rotates out of mainline. They could be completely wrong of course, it isn't like crew work in route planning. If you've got a better source other than that feel free to provide it. Right, you don't.

Are you telling me that YOW is not a secondary airport in North America that AC flies from that they would not want to use something like an A321XLR or NMA on? You've got a better source? Right, again, you don't.

Jazzed91

For future reference, frontline airline employees are often terrible sources for information. Anything and everything is discussed and rumours are spread like wildfire as if they're the gospel. I know they mean well, but take anything like that with a hefty grain of salt.