Random Widebodies on YYZ-YEG?
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Random Widebodies on YYZ-YEG?
I just made a booking on YEG-YYZ later this month and noticed I'm on a 788, while later that same day, both a 763 and 77L fly the route. Checking random dates this month, it looks like there are all sorts of random widebodies on the route. Anyone know why, and even more importantly, will this continue?
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I just made a booking on YEG-YYZ later this month and noticed I'm on a 788, while later that same day, both a 763 and 77L fly the route. Checking random dates this month, it looks like there are all sorts of random widebodies on the route. Anyone know why, and even more importantly, will this continue?
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Any 320s been retired? I predicted a few years back that if there's an economic downturn, the 320 fleet could disappear quite rapidly and be filled in by the widebodies until the 737 deliveries catch up. Esp. on leisure-heavy routes like YYZ-YEG/YVR/YYC.
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If there's anywhere that your theory of subbing widebodies for narrowbodies would make sense, it's business-heavy routes where people may be willing to pay for the higher proportion of premium seats (J+PY), not leisure-heavy routes.
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The point being, on leisure heavy routes, widebodies can be substituted and frequency reduced because leisure really doesn't care about frequency, they just want the lowest price.
If there's anywhere that your theory of subbing widebodies for narrowbodies would make sense, it's business-heavy routes where people may be willing to pay for the higher proportion of premium seats (J+PY), not leisure-heavy routes.
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The 763s are a bit of a different story from the 777s and 787s flying domestic as they are being pulled from long haul routes and relegated to live out their sunset years flying transcons just as the 762s did.
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No 320 retirements yet.
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LAS may actually be one of the least leisure heavy routes in the system as you have a lot of business travellers to conventions, meetings, etc. YYZ-YEG/YVR/YYC is heavily leisure even though the leisure travelers aren't exactly what you might think they are -- they aren't wearing Hawaiian t-shirts and ordering lots of drinks.
Leisure-heavy is going to be most places that rouge flies - as AC tells it. You want to haggle about LAS, whatever. Replace it in my previous comment with PHX, Hawaii or almost anywhere in Mexico that AC flies other than maybe MEX. There may be a businessperson or two on some of those flights, but they're predominantly driven by leisure traffic. Of course, you'll also find leisure travellers on routes that I'm sure we can both agree are business-heavy like YYZ-LGA.
The point being, on leisure heavy routes, widebodies can be substituted and frequency reduced because leisure really doesn't care about frequency, they just want the lowest price.
Very few "business class" seats are actually filled with people travelling on, or being paid for by 'business' these days.
The front cabin probably does better to the Carribean and Florida yield-wise, where you have retirees with money and rich people paying up, than it does on YEG/YVR/YYC where almost nobody is actually paying for it.
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