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Air Canada would study Airbus, Boeing for transatlantic narrowbody needs

Old Jan 14, 19, 3:54 pm
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Air Canada would study Airbus, Boeing for transatlantic narrowbody needs

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1P82FT

MONTREAL (Reuters) - Air Canada is interested in further developing the use of narrowbody aircraft to serve the transatlantic market and would look at both Airbus and Boeing models, a senior executive said.

Mark Galardo, vice-president of network planning at the Canadian national carrier, said in answer to a question that the group would study options including the Airbus A321XLR and the Boeing 737 MAX.

However, he told a media briefing it was “premature” to discuss whether Air Canada might order the Airbus A321XLR, a potential future expansion of the Airbus portfolio that sources say the planemaker may launch by the middle of this year.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 4:01 pm
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Dear AC,

Please make sure Airbus puts more than one lav in your new aircraft, should you choose to purchase them.

BR,
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Old Jan 14, 19, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by tcook052 View Post
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1P82FT

MONTREAL (Reuters) - Air Canada is interested in further developing the use of narrowbody aircraft to serve the transatlantic market and would look at both Airbus and Boeing models, a senior executive said.

Mark Galardo, vice-president of network planning at the Canadian national carrier, said in answer to a question that the group would study options including the Airbus A321XLR and the Boeing 737 MAX.

However, he told a media briefing it was “premature” to discuss whether Air Canada might order the Airbus A321XLR, a potential future expansion of the Airbus portfolio that sources say the planemaker may launch by the middle of this year.
This could be why AC pushed back the 737-9MAX delivery.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 4:15 pm
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Interesting. So they will sold as O and Y cabins since I doubt they would put in the pods.

Or worse - they go to Rouge...
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Old Jan 14, 19, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by tcook052 View Post
Air Canada ....would look at both Airbus and Boeing models, a senior executive said.
Is there anyone else who could make a commercial aircraft with transatlantic range suitable for AC's operations???
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Old Jan 14, 19, 4:20 pm
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Interesting. So they will sold as O and Y cabins since I doubt they would put in the pods.

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That's works for me on the return fly's to Canada, but no overnight flights for me unless I have a pod.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Jagboi View Post
Is there anyone else who could make a commercial aircraft with transatlantic range suitable for AC's operations???
Well, now that Airbus has bought the C-Series from Bombardier, and Boeing has bought a substantial share of Embraer...not really, no.

I mean, I guess AC could throw us all a curveball and order a bunch of Tupolev Tu-204s, Irkut MC-21s, or Comac C919s, but somehow I don't see that happening. IDK, I'm sure I could end up proven wrong, lol.
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Originally Posted by Jagboi View Post
Is there anyone else who could make a commercial aircraft with transatlantic range suitable for AC's operations???
I think you're missing the subtle but public point being made, which is AC telling the OEMs (Boeing more than Airbus, IMHO) to get off its corporate butt and make a public ATO for the NMA. The industry was expecting the NMA (what some call the 797) ATO to happen in Q4-2018 and still nothing. Future fleet planning is quite a bit easier when operators know what OEMs have in the pipe and availability. More has been whispered about the A321XLR than the NMA.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 7:37 pm
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And to think that I celebrated the impending end of TATL narrowbody travel when the 757 started to disappear.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 10:31 pm
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Originally Posted by eigenvector View Post
And to think that I celebrated the impending end of TATL narrowbody travel when the 757 started to disappear.
Hah, das lange Elend (the long misery)! I guess the appellation is true in more ways than one. 😂

I think long-haul flights in a narrowbody can be made to not suck, it's just a question of whether or not the route economics permit them to, and whether or not the airlines want them to.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 10:36 pm
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Originally Posted by shadowspar View Post
...I think long-haul flights in a narrowbody can be made to not suck...
For one approach, see this (possibly) related thread: too many drinks in J?
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Old Jan 15, 19, 6:02 am
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Probably safe on those ones though...
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Old Jan 15, 19, 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by eigenvector View Post
And to think that I celebrated the impending end of TATL narrowbody travel when the 757 started to disappear.
TATL travel in a 17/30 seat sucks regardless of the aircraft. And there is no reason why would be a TATL trip in J aboard of an A321XLR equipped with proper lie flat seats worse than a trip in a widebody equipped with a similar seat.
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TATL travel in a 17/30 seat sucks regardless of the aircraft. And there is no reason why would be a TATL trip in J aboard of an A321XLR equipped with proper lie flat seats worse than a trip in a widebody equipped with a similar seat.
Is there reason to believe that a future A321XLR operated by AC would be equipped with lie-flat seats?

They seem perfectly fine to fly a Y/PY product over the ocean with the 7M8.

Premium routes like YYZ-LHR will have the demand to continue commanding multiple widebodies per day, but new, currently uneconomical or marginal routes that might be served by an A321XLR may not justify a true international J product.
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Old Jan 15, 19, 11:45 am
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Is there reason to believe that a future A321XLR operated by AC would be equipped with lie-flat seats?

They seem perfectly fine to fly a Y/PY product over the ocean with the 7M8.

Premium routes like YYZ-LHR will have the demand to continue commanding multiple widebodies per day, but new, currently uneconomical or marginal routes that might be served by an A321XLR may not justify a true international J product.
I believe, there is. The 7M8 was not ordered to fly TATL routes. It was ordered as an A320 replacement and as such, it is equipped with domestic J seats only. The TATL range of the 7M8 is just a welcome side effect of its improved fuel efficiency. However, the A321XLR would be ordered specifically for thin TATL routes. Installing lie flat seats in them would make perfect sense.
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