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Curious about AC's policy on lights out on daytime longhauls...

Curious about AC's policy on lights out on daytime longhauls...

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Old Jan 10, 19, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
LOL
Wing porn is so much better than AC food porn. Take my word for it.
And even if under the blanket, the food isn't going anywhere but if light outside, I might miss a great view.
.... even when it's mostly dark outside

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Old Jan 10, 19, 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by fin 645 View Post
For me, the saving grace on a 777 is always the window in the washroom, out of which some of my best tropical island and arctic photos have been taken.

Do you mean the First Class Signature Suite?
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Old Jan 10, 19, 5:48 pm
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Originally Posted by TheOnlyWayTo Fly View Post
Thought I would put this out to the collected minds here and hopefully someone from AC will see and respond too. Just back home from SCL. The flight departed late to YYZ at 11:15am, Lunch was served around 12:30 and then cleared by 1:30. Then PE and Y were plunged into darkness - not even any mood lighting - and the windows were centrally faded to black. So there we were (we were in PE) sitting in the pitch black all the way to YYZ in the middle of the day! I overrode my window 3 times to let in some light but each time after 10 mins it was returned to black. On my 4th attempt, it would not lighten up at all. So what gives? Is this the crew's way of keeping the masses subdued and undemanding? Once the meal was served, the ccrew disappeared until the snack (served in the semi dark). Then back to darkness! The light meal mentioned on the menu never appeared and no announcement was made about that. Our friends in "Signature Service" reported that their lights did not go out but the port side of the aircraft DID receive their second meal but the starboard side did not! It was a weird flight for sure but was wondering if this lights out issue was official policy. In case AC thinks otherwise, your passengers don't want to sit in the dark for 10 hours on a daytime flight....
Similar to your experience, on my recent post-christmas AC845 from FRA to YYC (departs FRA at around 1:30 pm and arrives at YYC at around 3 pm with a 9h flight) after meal service, the entire plane was centrally darkened. In Signature Class, mood-lightning was turned on to a light blue hue. Windows were workable around three hours prior to landing. Had no issues with the meal service though.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by YVRtoYYZ View Post
Uhh...my DEL-YYZ flight had the shade locked 'dark' the entire trip (and this included being on the ground in DEL).
I was talking about my AC Dreamliner TPAC flights (about 100), not yours.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by yytleisure View Post
“Looking out the window is the only way I can prevent airsickness. Do you have a few extra sick bags?”

That being said only once did I come across an AC crew that demanded I close my shade. It was nighttime. Dawn was 6 hours away. Don’t look for logic.
Perhaps the reason was that the position lights and strobe lights at the end of the wing illuminate the cabin due to the darkness outside. I was travelling on LH720/A380 in PY in seat 50A at the lower pointy end a few months back and they asked me to close the shade as the only source of light in the immediate area surrounding the aircraft was coming from the plane itself. And this was indeed enough to periodically light up the cabin...
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Old Jan 10, 19, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by canopus27 View Post
.... even when it's mostly dark outside
.....
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Beautiful scenery and quite soothing, and I love the soundtrack.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 6:17 pm
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Wow...a hot topic indeed - the thread just started today and we're at 4 pages already!
As one who tends to have trouble sleeping on a flight (even in Business class) , I try to catch up on work on a daytime flight (usually TATL) and would much prefer the window shades OPEN. If shades are closed, inevitably, I have to turn on my overhead light...I feel that they shine not only on me but affect those around me; whereas if shades are open, there's enough daylight that I can work without the overhead light, thus bothering fewer people IMHO. Also, I tend to dim the screen on my laptop, and this is fine with daylight to see; but again, if working in a darkened cabin, I have to brighten my screen, creating a "glow" and I believe that disturbs those around me.
If I happen to sit by the window, esp in economy, I will, if requested, agree to HALF lower the shade if those next to me are getting too much reflection on their IFE screens.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 6:41 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
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But at some point, an individual passenger's desire should not be allowed to negatively impact the majority.
Putting aside the question of just how we know what the majority wants on any given flight, I think the notion of 'negatively impact' is worth exploring. Is natural light in the middle of the day offensive to most, or just to a few? For every person who woke at 2 or 3am in advance of the flight, there's somebody who woke at a more conventional hour. I'm sensing more of a personal preference than selfless advocacy for community rights.
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As some of us have already said, when we are paying $5,000 or more for a (business class) ticket across the ocean, you're not going to tell us when to sleep, eat or work. If we want to do so with natural light or overhead light, we can.
How does the price of a ticket affect the rights (or lack thereof) of any passenger to do, well, anything? Does a person who sits in 1A hold greater rights to sleep, eat or work than a person in 63E? I think we're on the same side of the window shade issue, but the element of how much one paid for a ticket, or which cabin one sits in, should have little bearing on the discussion.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow View Post
They "should be open"? Says who?
And "People have eye shades use them!" ???
People have reading lights. Use them.
I'm shocked at the attitudes in this thread. "I'm going to do what I want even if it negatively impacts the vast majority of other passengers. My needs are more important."
Nice try at playing the victim.
They "should be open"? Says who? Aviation health experts, particularly those who have researched the condition we call jet lag. In addition, are the customers who book daytime flights to specifically enjoy the view.

And "People have eye shades use them!" ??? Yes. That is why they are provided.

People have reading lights. Use them. I do, but they are ineffective in the prevention of jet lag

I'm shocked at the attitudes in this thread. "I'm going to do what I want even if it negatively impacts the vast majority of other passengers. My needs are more important." LOL. That's your position, not ours. You are trying to justify the denial of light. And yes, the customers who have specifically selected a daytime flight have a reasonable expectation of natural light.

BTW, I am the guy who intentionally pulls up the window shade in the J rear cabin lav on the 787.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 7:40 pm
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer View Post
Putting aside the question of just how we know what the majority wants on any given flight, I think the notion of 'negatively impact' is worth exploring. Is natural light in the middle of the day offensive to most, or just to a few? For every person who woke at 2 or 3am in advance of the flight, there's somebody who woke at a more conventional hour. I'm sensing more of a personal preference than selfless advocacy for community rights.
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Nice try at playing the victim.
They "should be open"? Says who? Aviation health experts, particularly those who have researched the condition we call jet lag. In addition, are the customers who book daytime flights to specifically enjoy the view.

And "People have eye shades use them!" ??? Yes. That is why they are provided.

People have reading lights. Use them. I do, but they are ineffective in the prevention of jet lag

I'm shocked at the attitudes in this thread. "I'm going to do what I want even if it negatively impacts the vast majority of other passengers. My needs are more important." LOL. That's your position, not ours. You are trying to justify the denial of light. And yes, the customers who have specifically selected a daytime flight have a reasonable expectation of natural light.

BTW, I am the guy who intentionally pulls up the window shade in the J rear cabin lav on the 787.
Actually, I haven't expressed a personal opinion on this in this thread.

I've only rebutted the people who have said it's their right to flood the cabin with light, with examples of why their arguments are nonsense.

Even the jet lag aspect - that very much depends on where you're coming from, and where you're going to. How many passengers on LHR-YYZ are connecting to another timezone?

It's the "I woke up at 2am and am flying YYZ-HKG where I terminate my journey and therefore we should all have natural light during the hours that suit me" that I take issue with, because it is completely selfish and gives absolutely zero consideration to anyone else in the cabin.

Sometimes it may make more sense to be bright. Sometimes dark. But the "always my way because I booked the window seat" attitudes are bizarre.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 7:57 pm
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An open window shade does not flood the cabin with light. Pantomime season has ended, so no need for the over dramatic scenario.
Natural light is usually far less harsh than the cabin reading lights.
Yes, some people intentionally pay to have window access in J. Coupon users typically are seated in the J middle seats since window seats are the first to be booked by paying pax.
The AC airline FT reps had previously agreed that there should be light allowed on daytime flights.
A highlight of my t-con is to look out over the Rockies. AC Pilots used to mention the natural landmark.
It's time AC provided an official statement on the subject of daylight and circulated its position to its crews.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer View Post
Indeed.

Putting aside the question of just how we know what the majority wants on any given flight, I think the notion of 'negatively impact' is worth exploring. Is natural light in the middle of the day offensive to most, or just to a few? For every person who woke at 2 or 3am in advance of the flight, there's somebody who woke at a more conventional hour. I'm sensing more of a personal preference than selfless advocacy for community rights.
I'd imagine for many people, myself included, despite all the entertainment options available, sleeping is still the best way to pass the time on a long haul flight, which gets boring really quickly. So I'd want to take a nap for a few hours. There aren't too many interest things to see on most flights anyways, and that's only if you are lucky enough to be flying over skys with no clouds.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 10:29 pm
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I'd imagine for many people, myself included, despite all the entertainment options available, sleeping is still the best way to pass the time on a long haul flight, which gets boring really quickly. So I'd want to take a nap for a few hours. There aren't too many interest things to see on most flights anyways, and that's only if you are lucky enough to be flying over skys with no clouds.
Nice for you, if you can pass the time on a 12+ hour flight sleeping - even in a lie-flat. I can't. I've done up to 8 hours of slumber, but that often leaves several hours of idle time. If we're flying over something interesting, or even if not, my window may well be wide open. What doesn't interest you may be fascinating to somebody else.

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It's the "I woke up at 2am and am flying YYZ-HKG where I terminate my journey and therefore we should all have natural light during the hours that suit me" that I take issue with, because it is completely selfish and gives absolutely zero consideration to anyone else in the cabin.
The notion of catering to people who may be connecting onwards or who may have had flights prior to or after the current flight is equally bizarre. Short of asking people, we have no idea where they're traveling to or from, how long they've been awake, whether they're tired, want sleep, prefer light or not. You look after you and let the rest of us look after ourselves. Common courtesy is very important - especially when aggregated in confined spaces, but not at the cost of rigid adherence to what amounts to zealous principle based upon little more than guesswork.
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Old Jan 10, 19, 11:43 pm
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And here I thought I was going to get flamed.

Just a reminder that the issues raised by the OP were:

  1. Closing the shades on a daytime flight, not an overnight TPAC or TATL;
  2. FAs locking them out in the closed position, for the presumed purpose of subduing the pesky pax.
To me, AC is off side on both counts, regardless of all the other “stuff” that has been raised. As much as some perceive a “right” to be able to sleep in a darkened cabin, I claim my right to not have to sit in a darkened cave all day while I try to work.
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Old Jan 11, 19, 12:45 pm
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My reality on the 92 was that for the remainder of the flight (8 hours?) everyone in PE anyway was still wide awake in the dark.... nobody was sleeping because it was a daytime flight.
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