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Iceland's WOW air sells four A321ceo to Air Canada

Old Dec 24, 18, 5:58 pm
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Iceland's WOW air sells four A321ceo to Air Canada

WOW air (WW, Reykjavik Keflavik) says it has signed a sale and purchase agreement with Air Canada (AC, Montréal Trudeau) involving four A321ceo that the Icelandic carrier has had on finance lease since 2014. Deliveries will be effected in January 2019.

According to the ch-aviation fleets module, the four aircraft are msn 6232, 6210 (currently wet-leased to Aruba Airlines (AG, Aruba)), 5733, and 5681.

WOW air said in a statement the sale is part of its ongoing restructuring plan which will see its fleet being reduced from twenty to eleven narrowbody aircraft.

Aside from the aforementioned A321-200s, WOW air has thus far returned two A320-200s and two A330-300s to their lessors with one outstanding A330-300, TF-GAY (msn 1098), still in service.

Once the disposal is completed, WOW air's fleet will entail one A320neo, eight A321ceo, and two A321neo all of which are leased from third-party firms
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...-to-air-canada
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Old Dec 24, 18, 6:02 pm
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To save everyone the Googling I just did, A321 'ceo' is 'current engine option', aka the legacy platform that preceded the A321neo.
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Interesting that AC is buying more 321s even as the 7M8 rollout continues. I wonder whether they're destined for mainline or rouge.
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith View Post
Interesting that AC is buying more 321s even as the 7M8 rollout continues. I wonder whether they're destined for mainline or rouge.
From another forum, they’re going to rouge. RV was scheduled to receive mainline A320s, these could be instead of those. Also interested that AC is deferring the 7M9 while taking more A321s. Starting to wonder if they’ll ever fly those.
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330 View Post
From another forum, they’re going to rouge.
Perfect, as they already come equipped with 29" of legroom!
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330 View Post


From another forum, they’re going to rouge. RV was scheduled to receive mainline A320s, these could be instead of those. Also interested that AC is deferring the 7M9 while taking more A321s. Starting to wonder if they’ll ever fly those.
Would make sense for the A320 to remain at mainline. Rouge currently does not fly the 320, if they get more A321 no need to introduce a new configuration at Rouge.
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interesting Wow has 30-31" of leg room according to SeatGuru, and AC will add more seats so you can have 29" on Rouge.
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith View Post
Interesting that AC is buying more 321s even as the 7M8 rollout continues. I wonder whether they're destined for mainline or rouge.
I heard AC is not that happy with the operational numbers of the 7M8 so far and this is why they pushed back delivery of the 7M9. Maybe AC is changing there mind on the 7M9 and keep flying the A321 instead.
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I heard AC is not that happy with the operational numbers of the 7M8 so far and this is why they pushed back delivery of the 7M9. Maybe AC is changing there mind on the 7M9 and keep flying the A321 instead.
Gosh I hope so. Here is hoping that some combination of 220 and 320/1 compose the single aisle fleet, not the awful 7M8/9.
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I heard AC is not that happy with the operational numbers of the 7M8 so far and this is why they pushed back delivery of the 7M9. Maybe AC is changing there mind on the 7M9 and keep flying the A321 instead.
The only thing I have heard was how pleased the airline was with their fuel efficiency.
I think Air Canada is delaying the 7M9 as they have sufficient capacity with their 7M8 and A321 fleet. The A321 should not need replacement for another decade. Why add a variant if they don’t really need it? In 5-10 years, Air Canada can choose between the A321neo, Max9, Max10, or 797.

Don’t forget, the 7M8 already provides the airline a capacity increase vs the A320. As they still operate a fleet of A319 and A321 aircraft (and eventually A320s) at Rouge, operating a sub-fleet of A321ceo at AC mainline should not be an issue.
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The only thing I have heard was how pleased the airline was with their fuel efficiency.
I think Air Canada is delaying the 7M9 as they have sufficient capacity with their 7M8 and A321 fleet. The A321 should not need replacement for another decade. Why add a variant if they don’t really need it? In 5-10 years, Air Canada can choose between the A321neo, Max9, Max10, or 797.

Don’t forget, the 7M8 already provides the airline a capacity increase vs the A320. As they still operate a fleet of A319 and A321 aircraft (and eventually A320s) at Rouge, operating a sub-fleet of A321ceo at AC mainline should not be an issue.

AC pilots I have talk to, say the 7M8 fuel burn has been higher than what Boeing advertised.
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AC pilots I have talk to, say the 7M8 fuel burn has been higher than what Boeing advertised.
Truly YMMV, I guess.
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Originally Posted by AC7E7 View Post


The only thing I have heard was how pleased the airline was with their fuel efficiency.
I think Air Canada is delaying the 7M9 as they have sufficient capacity with their 7M8 and A321 fleet. The A321 should not need replacement for another decade. Why add a variant if they don’t really need it? In 5-10 years, Air Canada can choose between the A321neo, Max9, Max10, or 797.

Don’t forget, the 7M8 already provides the airline a capacity increase vs the A320. As they still operate a fleet of A319 and A321 aircraft (and eventually A320s) at Rouge, operating a sub-fleet of A321ceo at AC mainline should not be an issue.
Boeing has convinced airlines to buy over 2,500 of the 7M8 while at the same time only selling 136 of the 7M9 with 11 of them going to AC.. Without knowing any of the details it is clear the 7M9 is a lost cause. They will probably keep delaying the 7M9 until Boeing has something else they can move those deposits to.
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Originally Posted by Fiordland View Post
Boeing has convinced airlines to buy over 2,500 of the 7M8 while at the same time only selling 136 of the 7M9 with 11 of them going to AC.. Without knowing any of the details it is clear the 7M9 is a lost cause. They will probably keep delaying the 7M9 until Boeing has something else they can move those deposits to.
Your comments made me curious...

This is from Feb 2018 (and Lion Air didn't lose a frame at that point). Some interesting comments about how UA had already converted orders


Boeing's 737 MAX 9 Wins FAA Certification, but It's Already Dead in the Water

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/...but-its-a.aspx

QUOTES:

"The aircraft manufacturer is celebrating the pending entry-into-service of the jet model -- but the 2020 arrival of the slightly larger and more efficient 737 MAX 10 will render it superfluous."

"However, the 737 MAX 9 hasn't sold very well. "

"Many other Boeing customers converted smaller numbers of existing 737 orders to the MAX 10 last year, hollowing out the 737 MAX 9 backlog even further. Once 737 MAX 10 production ramps up in the next few years, the 737 MAX 9 will have lost most of its (limited) appeal. As a result, its production run could come to a premature end within the next five years or so."


Question: Can AC use the deposit money towards another 777 frame or it doesn't work that way?
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Originally Posted by 5mm View Post
AC pilots I have talk to, say the 7M8 fuel burn has been higher than what Boeing advertised.
Also the 50 year old airframe design that has been tweaked constantly has its non-redundant and secret computer occasionally fly them into terrain automatically and without the ability of the crew to override.

But wow. The IFE is big and bright.
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