What will happen to 763 routes?
#1
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What will happen to 763 routes?
The 767s are on their way out and will be mostly retired (one frame left) by 2020. AC is bringing in 4 new A333s but they need refurb.
What will happen to the old 763 main line routes? Will they remain widebody or will we see replacement with 321s and 7M8 only?
What will happen to the old 763 main line routes? Will they remain widebody or will we see replacement with 321s and 7M8 only?
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There are: YYC-NRT, YYZ-MXP, YOW-LHR. Then perhaps a few YUL and YYZ routes than have been going back and forth.
I suspect the first started with local YYC subsidy, all about getting tourists from Japan. Continued existence may well depend on continued subsidy.
MXP is not always 763. I would expect 788/789 or 333 eventually. Ditto for YOW-LHR.
I suspect the first started with local YYC subsidy, all about getting tourists from Japan. Continued existence may well depend on continued subsidy.
MXP is not always 763. I would expect 788/789 or 333 eventually. Ditto for YOW-LHR.
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...and let's not forget the seasonal YOW-FRA - which has been using a 767 most summers, except one year when they used an A330. MXP is reverting back to 788 service next summer. MAD is reverting to 789 service. Into next Fall, the only three routes that I see in the schedule using 767 services are YOW-LHR, YOW-FRA and YYC-NRT (other than domestic operations)
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Guessing that most 767 International Routes will transition to 788/789 from YYZ/YOW as most A330 routes will migrate to YUL. The 4-A330's being brought in will operate in a PY/Y configuration until refurbishment/makeover time. Thus far, it looks like YVR-DUB, YUL-DUB & YUL-ALG will get these birds.
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Guessing that most 767 International Routes will transition to 788/789 from YYZ/YOW as most A330 routes will migrate to YUL. The 4-A330's being brought in will operate in a PY/Y configuration until refurbishment/makeover time. Thus far, it looks like YVR-DUB, YUL-DUB & YUL-ALG will get these birds.
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There are: YYC-NRT, YYZ-MXP, YOW-LHR. Then perhaps a few YUL and YYZ routes than have been going back and forth.
I suspect the first started with local YYC subsidy, all about getting tourists from Japan. Continued existence may well depend on continued subsidy.
MXP is not always 763. I would expect 788/789 or 333 eventually. Ditto for YOW-LHR.
I suspect the first started with local YYC subsidy, all about getting tourists from Japan. Continued existence may well depend on continued subsidy.
MXP is not always 763. I would expect 788/789 or 333 eventually. Ditto for YOW-LHR.
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Not if YYC-NRT is continued post-763 retirement since this flight originates in YYZ as AC 009. But as discussed here before this route seems to be marginal so a jump in capacity to the 788 or 330 may be too much.
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What will happen to the 767 that fly for Rouge? Some of these planes must also be ready for expensive checks AC wont pay for. Perhaps AC can pick up WestJets 767?
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The Rouge planes were deliberately selected to be the best of the fleet, hence receiving upgrades like winglets. But eventually their time will come as well. I suspect Rouge, like Tango and Zip, will eventually just fade away. As it stands, there is very little difference in product between Rouge and Mainline, unlike the situation when Rouge just started in which many recoiled at the horrors of the infamous 777HD whose standards have been adopted across the rest of the refurbished or newly delivered fleet. An economic downturn, probably already in progress (due to collapsing housing markets) probably will give AC's management enough cover to re-negotiate a uniform contract across the entire fleet. Alternatively, if the economy gets better, the unions will kill Rouge off.
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Guessing that most 767 International Routes will transition to 788/789 from YYZ/YOW as most A330 routes will migrate to YUL. The 4-A330's being brought in will operate in a PY/Y configuration until refurbishment/makeover time. Thus far, it looks like YVR-DUB, YUL-DUB & YUL-ALG will get these birds.
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Rouge got the "younger" 763's (average fleet age is 22 years). AC will probably fly them for another 7 or so years and then replace them by being a launch customer for the Boeing NMA if/when it is officially launched (likely delivery in 2026/2027). If that plane doesn't happen, then Rouge might get a combination of 768's and 321ULR.
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