songsc

SVO (and DME, VKO) were served by Aeroflot and Transaero pretty recently. SU used A333 for YYZ-SVO, Transaero operated YYZ-DME/VKO. These routes got suspended around 2012 I believe, and profitability might not be the reason for route suspension, it was more about politics. Also keep in mind that during cold war era, there was no direct USSR-US flight, instead Aeroflot used YUL as a gateway to North America. YHZ and Gander were also used as fuel stop. Tu-114 and IL62 were used on those flights. I am not sure if there is still enough demand between Canada and Russia today, and if so, would it be AC or SU to start the service.

As for MNL, PR already flies MNL-YVR-YYZ. Before this flight goes to daily, I don't think AC will add another flight.

alexdelzotto

Yul-bog
yul-dss
yul-cph

vernonc

Overheard a FA talking about a possible BKK route. Not sure if he had insight or just wishful thinking

24left

I was sure I posted this a while back during the discussion on SIN

I heard back last year that AC wants SIN for the cargo sitting in the Straits and BKK for the manufacturing (thus cargo). I was also told a reason why SIN is held up but no idea if it's true.

Further, a high tier pax I flew with on TPAC who does the SIN route with SQ via SFO said he will fly SQ for the service and food and overall experience. He aid "AC cannot charge what SQ does as it does not provide the same service etc that SQ does". His words.

AC may feel they can charge higher pricing YVR-SIN as no connections. Perhaps. I also doubt BKK is anything close to a premium route - even if it offers convenience for pax instead of transferring to CX in HKG on the codeshare, or TG or LCC.

IMHO

BTW, cabin crew talk about these routes all the time saying "they are coming".

mellon

I doubt AC 787-9 have the legs to get to SIN nonstop because they have so few premium seats and the longer distance than LAX. AC has 298 seats on its 787-9 VS United 252 seats. Perhaps AC 777-200LR might have the legs and its got 300 seats.

24left

According to GCMap








According to AC's Fleet page:

777-200LR (77L) 10840 miles

777-300ER (77W) 9068 miles

787-9 (789) 9552 miles

787-8 (788) 9445 miles


And yes, the ability to sell more premium seats is also a factor.

Diabeetus

interesting! Thanks for doing the legwork on that search.

CZAMFlyer

As 24left illustrated, and has long been known by non-flat earthers, YVR is closer as the Dreamliner flies to Asia than Californian gateways. I'd be looking towards a sooner-rather-than-later announcement for a YVR-SIN nonstop, as trade associations and airports at both ends of that route have been working with airlines in earnest for several months. I have no official insight whether either airline (SQ v AC) places this route as highly on their wish-list as the local business community. The route would be operated by an aircraft that not only has the legs to carry 250+ people, but a belly full of lucrative cargo (that's why the 77L is perennially assigned to SYD). The relative lack of spare n' suitable frames at AC may prove to be the kink in seeing the raccoon livery in SIN for reasons other than heavy maintenance.

Symmetre

Since it was consecrated in 1561 .... yeah, that's right. (Scaffolding most likely from one of many restorations since).

I used to have one of those small carry-on bags the guy's holding. Pre-B&R ;-)

lcohen999

If we are discussing FA rumours, I was told AKL is in the cards

CZAMFlyer

Previous experience tells me that anything circulating in pilot/cabin crew circles is either completely implausible or within hours of a public announcement. They're not generally known to have any more inside information during early route-planning discussions than the average aviation enthusiasts within the general public.

Transpacificflyer

I doubt that BKK is on anyone's possibility list for the next 2 years or more until the new terminal is actually built.
Unless an airline vacates slots, there are no available slots except from 03:00 to 05:00 approx. The airport was built for 600 flights a day and is now handling 800+. There is no room for anyone.

24left

Indeed and you know BKK far better than I do.
I thought it was crazy boarding a TK A330. In IST. In the rain. At a remote stand.
A month later, I was deplaning an A330 in BKK. At midnight.

CZAMFlyer

What's considered crazy by some is routine for others. Remote stand operations are common in BKK, IST,* LHR and a host of other at-capacity airports. They are or will be increasingly common in North American airports as well. I just reviewed my 2018 flights, and I came on & off planes at remote stands at more than half of my international destinations, including at 3 large Asian airports last week. Each experience was pleasant and sometimes preferable to a traditional gate (ie: the dedicated J class minivan at KTM, allowing us to skip a long wait to pay the entry visa).

I work at an airport (insert eye rolls here) at which remote stands are going to be used a lot more frequently than they are today. Get used to 'em.

*haven't yet landed at the new airport, from which all TK operations will begin in the new year, but it should be able to dock all aircraft at bridged gates for a few years to come.

24left

So I'll translate my post 58.

I was agreeing with @Transpacificflyer on the space issues at BKK with my own experience.

I don't care about bus gates in the grand scheme. Best plane porn ever was my CSeries flights ZRH-GVA and back. Some here have seen my photos. Other awesome bus gate was boarding Juneyao in PVG and similarly, AA in SXM.

BTW, if you want to see the population of colourful birds at remote stands, well HKIA is the place to be.

As for SIN, AFAIK, it does not have gate constraints but there are other issues that affect AC's ability to launch this route yesterday.

The issue in this thread is the desire by both AC and FTers for certain routes.