Possible New Long Haul Air Canada Routes in the next 5 years
#46
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SVO (and DME, VKO) were served by Aeroflot and Transaero pretty recently. SU used A333 for YYZ-SVO, Transaero operated YYZ-DME/VKO. These routes got suspended around 2012 I believe, and profitability might not be the reason for route suspension, it was more about politics. Also keep in mind that during cold war era, there was no direct USSR-US flight, instead Aeroflot used YUL as a gateway to North America. YHZ and Gander were also used as fuel stop. Tu-114 and IL62 were used on those flights. I am not sure if there is still enough demand between Canada and Russia today, and if so, would it be AC or SU to start the service.
As for MNL, PR already flies MNL-YVR-YYZ. Before this flight goes to daily, I don't think AC will add another flight.
As for MNL, PR already flies MNL-YVR-YYZ. Before this flight goes to daily, I don't think AC will add another flight.
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I heard back last year that AC wants SIN for the cargo sitting in the Straits and BKK for the manufacturing (thus cargo). I was also told a reason why SIN is held up but no idea if it's true.
Further, a high tier pax I flew with on TPAC who does the SIN route with SQ via SFO said he will fly SQ for the service and food and overall experience. He aid "AC cannot charge what SQ does as it does not provide the same service etc that SQ does". His words.
AC may feel they can charge higher pricing YVR-SIN as no connections. Perhaps. I also doubt BKK is anything close to a premium route - even if it offers convenience for pax instead of transferring to CX in HKG on the codeshare, or TG or LCC.
IMHO
BTW, cabin crew talk about these routes all the time saying "they are coming".
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I was sure I posted this a while back during the discussion on SIN
I heard back last year that AC wants SIN for the cargo sitting in the Straits and BKK for the manufacturing (thus cargo). I was also told a reason why SIN is held up but no idea if it's true.
Further, a high tier pax I flew with on TPAC who does the SIN route with SQ via SFO said he will fly SQ for the service and food and overall experience. He aid "AC cannot charge what SQ does as it does not provide the same service etc that SQ does". His words.
AC may feel they can charge higher pricing YVR-SIN as no connections. Perhaps. I also doubt BKK is anything close to a premium route - even if it offers convenience for pax instead of transferring to CX in HKG on the codeshare, or TG or LCC.
IMHO
BTW, cabin crew talk about these routes all the time saying "they are coming".
I heard back last year that AC wants SIN for the cargo sitting in the Straits and BKK for the manufacturing (thus cargo). I was also told a reason why SIN is held up but no idea if it's true.
Further, a high tier pax I flew with on TPAC who does the SIN route with SQ via SFO said he will fly SQ for the service and food and overall experience. He aid "AC cannot charge what SQ does as it does not provide the same service etc that SQ does". His words.
AC may feel they can charge higher pricing YVR-SIN as no connections. Perhaps. I also doubt BKK is anything close to a premium route - even if it offers convenience for pax instead of transferring to CX in HKG on the codeshare, or TG or LCC.
IMHO
BTW, cabin crew talk about these routes all the time saying "they are coming".
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According to AC's Fleet page:
777-200LR (77L) 10840 miles
777-300ER (77W) 9068 miles
787-9 (789) 9552 miles
787-8 (788) 9445 miles
And yes, the ability to sell more premium seats is also a factor.
#52
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interesting! Thanks for doing the legwork on that search.
#53
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As 24left illustrated, and has long been known by non-flat earthers, YVR is closer as the Dreamliner flies to Asia than Californian gateways. I'd be looking towards a sooner-rather-than-later announcement for a YVR-SIN nonstop, as trade associations and airports at both ends of that route have been working with airlines in earnest for several months. I have no official insight whether either airline (SQ v AC) places this route as highly on their wish-list as the local business community. The route would be operated by an aircraft that not only has the legs to carry 250+ people, but a belly full of lucrative cargo (that's why the 77L is perennially assigned to SYD). The relative lack of spare n' suitable frames at AC may prove to be the kink in seeing the raccoon livery in SIN for reasons other than heavy maintenance.
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I used to have one of those small carry-on bags the guy's holding. Pre-B&R ;-)
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#56
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Previous experience tells me that anything circulating in pilot/cabin crew circles is either completely implausible or within hours of a public announcement. They're not generally known to have any more inside information during early route-planning discussions than the average aviation enthusiasts within the general public.
#57
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I doubt that BKK is on anyone's possibility list for the next 2 years or more until the new terminal is actually built.
Unless an airline vacates slots, there are no available slots except from 03:00 to 05:00 approx. The airport was built for 600 flights a day and is now handling 800+. There is no room for anyone.
Unless an airline vacates slots, there are no available slots except from 03:00 to 05:00 approx. The airport was built for 600 flights a day and is now handling 800+. There is no room for anyone.
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I doubt that BKK is on anyone's possibility list for the next 2 years or more until the new terminal is actually built.
Unless an airline vacates slots, there are no available slots except from 03:00 to 05:00 approx. The airport was built for 600 flights a day and is now handling 800+. There is no room for anyone.
Unless an airline vacates slots, there are no available slots except from 03:00 to 05:00 approx. The airport was built for 600 flights a day and is now handling 800+. There is no room for anyone.
I thought it was crazy boarding a TK A330. In IST. In the rain. At a remote stand.
A month later, I was deplaning an A330 in BKK. At midnight.
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I work at an airport (insert eye rolls here) at which remote stands are going to be used a lot more frequently than they are today. Get used to 'em.
*haven't yet landed at the new airport, from which all TK operations will begin in the new year, but it should be able to dock all aircraft at bridged gates for a few years to come.
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So I'll translate my post 58.
I was agreeing with @Transpacificflyer on the space issues at BKK with my own experience.
I don't care about bus gates in the grand scheme. Best plane porn ever was my CSeries flights ZRH-GVA and back. Some here have seen my photos. Other awesome bus gate was boarding Juneyao in PVG and similarly, AA in SXM.
BTW, if you want to see the population of colourful birds at remote stands, well HKIA is the place to be.
As for SIN, AFAIK, it does not have gate constraints but there are other issues that affect AC's ability to launch this route yesterday.
The issue in this thread is the desire by both AC and FTers for certain routes.
I was agreeing with @Transpacificflyer on the space issues at BKK with my own experience.
I don't care about bus gates in the grand scheme. Best plane porn ever was my CSeries flights ZRH-GVA and back. Some here have seen my photos. Other awesome bus gate was boarding Juneyao in PVG and similarly, AA in SXM.
BTW, if you want to see the population of colourful birds at remote stands, well HKIA is the place to be.
As for SIN, AFAIK, it does not have gate constraints but there are other issues that affect AC's ability to launch this route yesterday.
The issue in this thread is the desire by both AC and FTers for certain routes.