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Aker Sep 11, 2018 11:53 pm

Aeroplan event (Vancouver club) September 11
 
looks like aeroplan had some appreciation event at the Vancouver club tonight... does anyone know how these ppl received invites?

yyznomad Sep 11, 2018 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by Aker (Post 30194642)
looks like aeroplan had some appreciation event at the Vancouver club tonight... does anyone know how these ppl received invites?

I haven't checked my email associated with my account in awhile... how did you know about this?

Aker Sep 11, 2018 11:59 pm

Wife’s friends she follows on instagram were all posting about it.

Im diamond with aeroplan (one of likely millions) but don’t think I got an invite or I probably would have gone for a free fine dining meal.

Perhaps i I don’t fly as much as these ppl?

yyznomad Sep 12, 2018 12:03 am


Originally Posted by Aker (Post 30194653)
Wife’s friends she follows on instagram were all posting about it.

Im diamond with aeroplan (one of likely millions) but don’t think I got an invite or I probably would have gone for a free fine dining meal.

Perhaps i I don’t fly as much as these ppl?

Who knows.

So your wife's friends attended? How was it?

Aker Sep 12, 2018 12:15 am

Just ppl she follows not close friends. I’m just curious what it was all about.

yyznomad Sep 12, 2018 12:39 am


Originally Posted by Aker (Post 30194685)
Just ppl she follows not close friends. I’m just curious what it was all about.


Same here now that you've brought this up. :)

But even if I had been invited, I don't think I would've been cool enough for the Vancouver Club. :p

dtman85 Sep 12, 2018 12:45 am

I received an invite via email a few weeks ago. The event was held at the Vancouver Club. They served us a three-course meal, it was good. They are planning a Toronto and Montreal dining events for diamond members in the near future.

Smiley90 Sep 12, 2018 12:51 am


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 30194725)
Same here now that you've brought this up. :)

But even if I had been invited, I don't think I would've been cool enough for the Vancouver Club. :p

I've walked by that place many times and have always remained confused about who goes there and for what sort of events. Completely eludes me.

canadiancow Sep 12, 2018 1:25 am


Originally Posted by dtman85 (Post 30194735)
I received an invite via email a few weeks ago. The event was held at the Vancouver Club. They served us a three-course meal, it was good. They are planning a Toronto and Montreal dining events for diamond members in the near future.

Once again, excluded because it would be inconceivable that a frequent flyer would fly somewhere.

YZF_Elite Sep 12, 2018 5:46 am


Originally Posted by Smiley90 (Post 30194739)
I've walked by that place many times and have always remained confused about who goes there and for what sort of events. Completely eludes me.

I've been in there twice, mostly empty old boys club from years gone by...

Bohemian1 Sep 12, 2018 8:38 am

No invite for me either, despite SE, Diamond, charming temperament, etc.

No huge loss I am sure.

CZAMFlyer Sep 12, 2018 9:00 am

I didn't receive an invite to this event, but have visited the Vancouver Club on several occasions. I'm not a member; just associated with several who are. It used to be a bit of a 'stuffy red leather, mahogany panelled, whiff-of-cigar' type of place - boy's club if you will - but no longer. Like most venerable institutions, it is evolving. A faint air of exclusivity does permeate, but no more so than from a Signature Lounge.

As Bohemian deduced: no huge loss I am sure.

tracon Sep 12, 2018 9:38 am

I received an invite. Don't recall if was for this event.
By the time I checked my e-mail several hours later, it was "sold" out.

Sopwith Sep 12, 2018 9:56 am


Originally Posted by Aker (Post 30194642)
looks like aeroplan had some appreciation event at the Vancouver club tonight...

If Aeroplan wants to show some appreciation they could start by answering the phone when I call. :rolleyes:

padawanflyer Sep 12, 2018 11:02 am


Originally Posted by tracon (Post 30195977)
I received an invite. Don't recall if was for this event.
By the time I checked my e-mail several hours later, it was "sold" out.

Same here, I think I tried within 1-2 hours of the email arriving, and it was 'sold out'...

The email looked like this:
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An exclusive dinner curated by Ned Bell, Rick Moonen and Barton Seaver

Diamond status members can experience a series of exclusive perks, courtesy of Aeroplan. As a valued member, you're invited** to a private dining event in the city. On the menu: a complimentary multi-course dinner with wine pairings, created by top chefs. Did we mention that you get a plus one? Only 100 spots are available, so hurry and reserve yours today!

Before you arrive
The event will take place on September 11 at the charming Vancouver Club. Cocktails will be served at 6:30 p.m., with dinner to follow at 7:30 p.m.

While at the event
Explore the night's theme of ocean sustainability, aquaculture and seafood cooking. This special evening will inspire a new appreciation for what our waters can provide.

Your culinary experience
The night's menu will be carefully curated by world-renowned seafood chefs and advocates Ned Bell, Rick Moonen and Barton Seaver. All three chefs will engage with you during dinner to discuss the oceans and what the future holds for seafood—one of our national treasures and something we're known for at an international scale.
============

CZAMFlyer Sep 12, 2018 12:56 pm


Originally Posted by tracon
By the time I checked my e-mail several hours later, it was "sold" out.


Originally Posted by padawanflyer (Post 30196337)
Same here, I think I tried within 1-2 hours of the email arriving, and it was 'sold out'...

Your use of quotes is likely well-placed. My suspicion is that many or most of the 100 spots were assigned prior to the general-release email being distributed.

Transpacificflyer Sep 12, 2018 1:13 pm

Aimia's Aeroplan is a diversified marketing program. It is not exclusive to Air Canada. Members can gain their Diamond status many ways, particularly through purchases with partners such as rental car agencies, hospitality firms and retailers. Some people may assume that because they are FFs they should have priority on the invites. The assumption is wrong.

There are many members who have their status because they spent money on actual purchases and did not amass the points that made them SE. The OP quite rightly points out that many members are Diamond status. It is obvious, that some members are more valuable than others.

The customers who spend money are of more value than the customers who mostly gain the miles from travel miles. Here is an illustration;
I purchase $5,000 at a retailer and earn 5000 miles because I used my Amex card. If that is all I do, I need to spend $100,000 to reach diamond.
If I purchase $6,000 P class fares to Asia (YYZ-BKK) @ 25,000 miles RT I earn approx. 31,000 AP miles. I can achieve 93,000 miles at a cost of $18,000. A few more short hauls, or just a bit of spending and I am Diamond well below a spend of $25,000.

Who do you think is more valuable as a customer? The customer who spends $100,000+ or someone at $25,000 (or even less with some of the CC and partner deals/promotions)? Some people who spend their life chasing points and benefit from an employer's travel budget may assume that they are "valuable", and perhaps they are in the eyes of their mothers, but in respect to consumer economics they are not. It's the person who is spending money who is. I accept that I am low on the pecking order in that regard, and I accept it, because the big spenders drive the profits. That's why they get the invites.

canadiancow Sep 12, 2018 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 30196828)
Aimia's Aeroplan is a diversified marketing program. It is not exclusive to Air Canada. Members can gain their Diamond status many ways, particularly through purchases with partners such as rental car agencies, hospitality firms and retailers. Some people may assume that because they are FFs they should have priority on the invites. The assumption is wrong.

There are many members who have their status because they spent money on actual purchases and did not amass the points that made them SE. The OP quite rightly points out that many members are Diamond status. It is obvious, that some members are more valuable than others.

The customers who spend money are of more value than the customers who mostly gain the miles from travel miles. Here is an illustration;
I purchase $5,000 at a retailer and earn 5000 miles because I used my Amex card. If that is all I do, I need to spend $100,000 to reach diamond.
If I purchase $6,000 P class fares to Asia (YYZ-BKK) @ 25,000 miles RT I earn approx. 31,000 AP miles. I can achieve 93,000 miles at a cost of $18,000. A few more short hauls, or just a bit of spending and I am Diamond well below a spend of $25,000.

Who do you think is more valuable as a customer? The customer who spends $100,000+ or someone at $25,000 (or even less with some of the CC and partner deals/promotions)? Some people who spend their life chasing points and benefit from an employer's travel budget may assume that they are "valuable", and perhaps they are in the eyes of their mothers, but in respect to consumer economics they are not. It's the person who is spending money who is. I accept that I am low on the pecking order in that regard, and I accept it, because the big spenders drive the profits. That's why they get the invites.

It's not like Aeroplan gets the $100k or the $25k...

CZAMFlyer Sep 12, 2018 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30196862)
It's not like Aeroplan gets the $100k or the $25k...

True, but they receive their cut, and their portion of $100k spend is still four times larger than their portion of a $25k spend. TPF's point above stands, especially the part about many people being special in the eyes of their mothers.

Transpacificflyer Sep 12, 2018 3:26 pm

To answer the question as to why a private club was used; its probably because of the kitchen availability, rental & facility costs and the logistics. This was a specialty event, so the chefs needed their own space. Hotels are not the easiest of places to host this type of event because of the kitchen exclusivity requirements, and the labour obstacles.

Although they said 100 attendees , our gadfly on the ground Viranally Liemana posted this photo from the VC.
https://twitter.com/viranlly
It looks rather chi chi and that more than 100 hungry guests were in attendance. I expect that there was also an expectation of a certain wardrobe decorum, i.e. not for those who wear a hoodie over a Ms. Pac man T shirt with cheeto stains. After all, Viranally states in his twitter descripto; "I'm adorable. I look like Kiera Knightley running errands" , which is millenial code for fashionable and awesome.

Perhaps, Aeroplan is going hipster and upscale. :cool:

Bohemian1 Sep 12, 2018 3:48 pm

From the pix, that's pretty much the standard mass catering setup for the Vancouver Club.

But it's a nice venue and only three blocks from my office.

canadiancow Sep 12, 2018 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer (Post 30196903)
True, but they receive their cut, and their portion of $100k spend is still four times larger than their portion of a $25k spend. TPF's point above stands, especially the part about many people being special in the eyes of their mothers.

Is it?

Is Aeroplan not paid per mile? Wouldn't that mean that 100k is 100k is 100k, regardless of what the consumer paid for them?

jasdou Sep 12, 2018 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30197335)
Is it?

Is Aeroplan not paid per mile? Wouldn't that mean that 100k is 100k is 100k, regardless of what the consumer paid for them?

Surely all partners are buying miles at different rates. No idea who would be the most profitable in that regards.

canadiancow Sep 12, 2018 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30197618)


Surely all partners are buying miles at different rates. No idea who would be the most profitable in that regards.

Right, but my point is the cost to the customer is, at best, loosely correlated with Aeroplan's revenue.

jc94 Sep 12, 2018 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30197655)
Right, but my point is the cost to the customer is, at best, loosely correlated with Aeroplan's revenue.

Right, whether I buy J or P won’t AP get the same regardless? AC does better if I buy J, AP doesn’t care?

Transpacificflyer Sep 12, 2018 9:16 pm

Common sense suggests that Aeroplan had identified a target demographic for its Vancouver dinner and that it involved much more than inviting super elites.

Yes, AC's FFs have value. However, there is enough information collected to differentiate between FFs. Aeroplan can target the super elites who also spend big money on consumer purchases, or who demonstrate desired customer demographics., like being a resident of the Greater Vancouver region. There are various analytics that can be run to identify who they want. Just because someone is a Super Elite or 1MM may not necessarily have made the person of interest to the sponsor(s) of this event. I wasn't invited, but I draw on the inspirational words of Gloria Gaynor, and proclaim that I will survive.

canadiancow Sep 12, 2018 11:07 pm


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 30198061)
Common sense suggests that Aeroplan had identified a target demographic for its Vancouver dinner and that it involved much more than inviting super elites.

Yes, AC's FFs have value. However, there is enough information collected to differentiate between FFs. Aeroplan can target the super elites who also spend big money on consumer purchases, or who demonstrate desired customer demographics., like being a resident of the Greater Vancouver region. There are various analytics that can be run to identify who they want. Just because someone is a Super Elite or 1MM may not necessarily have made the person of interest to the sponsor(s) of this event. I wasn't invited, but I draw on the inspirational words of Gloria Gaynor, and proclaim that I will survive.

Well my first question is whether there are Diamonds with "Vancouver" as the city in their Aeroplan profile who were not invited.

Next, I agree that 100k miles is not the same as 1M or 10M miles, and some Diamonds are more valuable to Aeroplan than others.

Any mention of SE is irrelevant, because SE just triggers extra space for you on AC flights when booking through Aeroplan. Aside from that, Aeroplan doesn't care.

That being said, when you're known as a "frequent flyer program", it seems odd to only consider local residents, when it's quite likely that a bunch of your high points earners are traveling at any given time, and may be free to attend a dinner.

It doesn't sound like any people based outside of Vancouver were invited.

CZAMFlyer Sep 13, 2018 10:54 am


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 30197272)
Perhaps, Aeroplan is going hipster and upscale. :cool:

The folks in the section of the ballroom caught on the gadfly's camera may look upscale, but hipsters they are not. Parents of hipsters, perhaps.

I hope Aeroplan isn't 'going hipster', as it would cement its reputation as having crested its curve of relevance, of being superficial, as appearing as something it's not, of overcharging for the basics and of being utterly incapable of fending for itself at the first hint of trouble.

Transpacificflyer Sep 13, 2018 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30198291)
Well my first question is whether there are Diamonds with "Vancouver" as the city in their Aeroplan profile who were not invited.
Next, I agree that 100k miles is not the same as 1M or 10M miles, and some Diamonds are more valuable to Aeroplan than others.
Any mention of SE is irrelevant, because SE just triggers extra space for you on AC flights when booking through Aeroplan. Aside from that, Aeroplan doesn't care.
That being said, when you're known as a "frequent flyer program", it seems odd to only consider local residents, when it's quite likely that a bunch of your high points earners are traveling at any given time, and may be free to attend a dinner.
It doesn't sound like any people based outside of Vancouver were invited.

I do not have the criteria that was used, and I believe that we can all agree that the only way to know for sure is if someone at Aeroplan shares such info. You say that SE doesn't matter, yet you gave the impression that you a very frequent flyer was irked because you had not been invited. By the definition of a super elite, one would expect that a SE would accumulate more mileage than a run of the mill Diamond who doesn't fly with AC. In any case, as you say, it doesn't matter.

There are to be other cities where the event will be held so I would expect that in order to more efficiently target the intended demographic they invited people who had an address in the host city. I would expect that the Toronto event will invite the members with a GTA residential address.

Yes, Aeroplan acts as a frequent flyer program, but it is more than that, and this is at the core of the Aimia transformation. Aimia defines itself as a data-driven marketing and loyalty analytics entity. It states that it partners with groups of companies and individual companies to help generate, collect and analyze customer data and build actionable insights. Aeroplan is one of its businesses, and even in that unit, it doesn't really emphasize its FF activity. Rather, it provides loyalty strategy, program development, implementation and management services for other clients . Aimia further states that all this greatness is underpinned by leading products and technology platforms and through its analytics and insights business. My takeaway, is that Aimia and its Aeroplan is anything but a FF program. Hence, the AC Altitude initiative.

zrh2yvr Sep 13, 2018 11:06 pm

@YZF_Elite said - - - I've been in there twice, mostly empty old boys club from years gone by...

Not to go off topic - but - the club has gone through a serious rejuvenation in the past 10 years. Likely average age is now somewhere close to 40. The events and social director is a crazy young Australian and over the past 10-years it is become perhaps - somewhat of a high-class party house. It certainly has an old boys tradition, but some of the stereotypes no longer apply. They have just nabbed the Executive Chef Ned Bell from the Four Seasons Yew to be the culinary director and large-scale donations (think 7 figures) have allowed them to renovate, rejuvenate, and invest in the latest equipment to be running a high-end operation.

keitherson Sep 14, 2018 6:55 am


Originally Posted by zrh2yvr (Post 30201924)
@YZF_Elite said - - - I've been in there twice, mostly empty old boys club from years gone by...

Not to go off topic - but - the club has gone through a serious rejuvenation in the past 10 years. Likely average age is now somewhere close to 40. The events and social director is a crazy young Australian and over the past 10-years it is become perhaps - somewhat of a high-class party house. It certainly has an old boys tradition, but some of the stereotypes no longer apply. They have just nabbed the Executive Chef Ned Bell from the Four Seasons Yew to be the culinary director and large-scale donations (think 7 figures) have allowed them to renovate, rejuvenate, and invest in the latest equipment to be running a high-end operation.

Sounds like nothing different from the Terminal City Club, then. :D

Many private members' clubs are struggling in this day and age.. probably for good reason

canadiancow Sep 14, 2018 10:01 am


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 30201472)
you gave the impression that you a very frequent flyer was irked because you had not been invited

I don't think being SE should guarantee anyone an invitation, but I think have an address outside the host city shouldn't automatically exclude people who AC/Aeroplan know fly 100+ segments or 100k+ miles per year, because it's much more likely that someone who flies a lot would either:
a) consider flying out for something
b) already be in that area on that day

jasdou Sep 25, 2018 7:37 am

Here is a report on this event: Dining on Aeroplan Diamond status #withaeroplan | Foodology. Looks pretty decent to me.

yyznomad Sep 25, 2018 8:17 am


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30203452)
I don't think being SE should guarantee anyone an invitation, but I think have an address outside the host city shouldn't automatically exclude people who AC/Aeroplan know fly 100+ segments or 100k+ miles per year, because it's much more likely that someone who flies a lot would either:
a) consider flying out for something
b) already be in that area on that day

I guess you were never invited to the Dreamliner events or other stuff AC held at YVR/YYZ/YUL?

I think part of the challenge would be getting enough people to RSVP/attend without overselling (unless they rescind and IDB your RSVP :p )

DrunkCargo Sep 25, 2018 9:03 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30243217)
Here is a report on this event: Dining on Aeroplan Diamond status
#withaeroplan Foodology. Looks pretty decent to me.

As far as I understand VC does not allow outside catering; this looks to be the standard they offer for TSX shindigs, weddings, receptions, etc... Which tbh is pretty ok.

The terminal city club (TCC) I believe allows outside catering... But again it's been years since I've been anywhere near planning anything. I just show up and eat/drink. :)

Both officially require "smart attire" but never been stopped in an undershirt with jacket and jeans. We should throw a do at one of the clubs...

Bohemian1 Sep 25, 2018 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 30243539)
As far as I understand VC does not allow outside catering; this looks to be the standard they offer for TSX shindigs, weddings, receptions, etc... Which tbh is pretty ok.

The terminal city club (TCC) I believe allows outside catering... But again it's been years since I've been anywhere near planning anything. I just show up and eat/drink. :)

Both officially require "smart attire" but never been stopped in an undershirt with jacket and jeans. We should throw a do at one of the clubs...

Great idea. Except then we would be accused of cheapening the dining room.


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