Booking a BR ticket, connecting to an AC ticket. How are IRROPS handled?
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Booking a BR ticket, connecting to an AC ticket. How are IRROPS handled?
Got to fly DPS-WAS on specific dates, and I'd like to avoid a 27-hour connection in Guangzhou.
If I book DPS-TPE on Eva, then a separate AC ticket departing 12 hours later for TPE-YVR-YYZ-BWI, what happens to my AC ticket if the BR flight misconnects?
Is there any form of protection / re-accommodation given that both carriers are *A, and I'm 50K?
Or is it the same as if the first leg were on any unrelated carrier, misconnect and you're out of luck?
If I book DPS-TPE on Eva, then a separate AC ticket departing 12 hours later for TPE-YVR-YYZ-BWI, what happens to my AC ticket if the BR flight misconnects?
Is there any form of protection / re-accommodation given that both carriers are *A, and I'm 50K?
Or is it the same as if the first leg were on any unrelated carrier, misconnect and you're out of luck?
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Officially, if its all on the same PNR or linked PNR's, there's full protection. Shouldn't be a problem getting that all put onto one AC 014 ticket. Call Reservations if you can't get the website to spit it out.
Alliances aren't relevant, nor is your status. AC's IT integration is just as deep with AA, as it is BR.
Unofficially, if you have 2 separate tickets/PNRs and can get them linked at check-in, with the bags checked-through and BP's issued, you'll be taken care of, although perhaps not optimally. However, sometimes there are training/language/communications/policy barriers associated with such. So its not recommended.
Alliances aren't relevant, nor is your status. AC's IT integration is just as deep with AA, as it is BR.
Unofficially, if you have 2 separate tickets/PNRs and can get them linked at check-in, with the bags checked-through and BP's issued, you'll be taken care of, although perhaps not optimally. However, sometimes there are training/language/communications/policy barriers associated with such. So its not recommended.
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Unofficially, if you have 2 separate tickets/PNRs and can get them linked at check-in, with the bags checked-through and BP's issued, you'll be taken care of, although perhaps not optimally. However, sometimes there are training/language/communications/policy barriers associated with such. So its not recommended.
In 2017, did DPS - HKG - YVR, with one ticket on Hong Kong Airlines, and the other AC, traveling in BIZ on both. In DPS, agent indicated that if I was NOT travelling in business they would NOT through check my bag. While I understand this is different than BR, but two tickets are two tickets.
OP, as you have twelve hours between flights, and DPS to TPE is about 5 hours if I recall correctly, you have plenty of time before departure in DPS to advise AC ahead of time if you see you will mis-connect, and then change your flight in advance, possibly by paying change fee.
I'm assuming your taking the late night departure out of DPS, arriving TPE early morning and then 6p departure trans-pac. Train service from TPE to main station pretty reliable and fast, and near the station are quite a few reasonably priced hotels if you need to get some sleep. Underground metro in TPE fast and air-conditioned so getting around town easy. I head for area around Taipei 101, lots of shops, restaurants, etc. - and my favourite place to eat in that area is Jumbo Seafood, chain out of Singapore.
have a great trip, and with twelve hours, lots of time to be prepared for a possible mis-connect.
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Even if the original aircraft is unflyable, there should be enough time to fly in a spare and get me to TPE in time.
I don't expect AC to be *obliged* to do anything for me, I'm just wondering whether there's any difference between an incoming *A flight and an incoming OAL flight, as far as AC saying "we know you're coming, we'll help if we can but we're not holding the plane for you."
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I don't expect AC to be *obliged* to do anything for me, I'm just wondering whether there's any difference between an incoming *A flight and an incoming OAL flight, as far as AC saying "we know you're coming, we'll help if we can but we're not holding the plane for you."
mine requires delay in excess of 6 hours to activate insurance.
good luck
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YOWgary, you should be okay. I wouldn't worry about the BR flight delay, as AC's TPE-YVR flight is consistently late. You should have no problems making your connection. Furthermore, by the time your BR flight lands in TPE, you can begin checking the flight status of the YVR-TPE flight to prepare alternate plans if required.
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Arrive TPE 21:45, dep TPE 15:55.
Even if the original aircraft is unflyable, there should be enough time to fly in a spare and get me to TPE in time.
I don't expect AC to be *obliged* to do anything for me, I'm just wondering whether there's any difference between an incoming *A flight and an incoming OAL flight, as far as AC saying "we know you're coming, we'll help if we can but we're not holding the plane for you."
Even if the original aircraft is unflyable, there should be enough time to fly in a spare and get me to TPE in time.
I don't expect AC to be *obliged* to do anything for me, I'm just wondering whether there's any difference between an incoming *A flight and an incoming OAL flight, as far as AC saying "we know you're coming, we'll help if we can but we're not holding the plane for you."
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The airlines will always try and be reasonable, and more reasonable to someone with high status. YMMV depending on the agents mood, your attitude, and a million other factors.
If it is a routine business meeting, a routine consulting engagement, a routine sales call or a long vacation, don't worry about it. The airlines and/or CC insurance will take care of you. You will eventually get there, or get paid out.
If you are going to a wedding, a funeral, the big final sales closer or some other actually time critical event, don't count on it. For that matter, book a day earlier.
If it is a routine business meeting, a routine consulting engagement, a routine sales call or a long vacation, don't worry about it. The airlines and/or CC insurance will take care of you. You will eventually get there, or get paid out.
If you are going to a wedding, a funeral, the big final sales closer or some other actually time critical event, don't count on it. For that matter, book a day earlier.
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The only real answer to YOWGary's answer is that you are SOL.
Anything else is pretty much anecdotal evidence and exceptions made to help the passenger.
That being said, you will always be better off if you are connecting airline X to airline Y, and ask airline Y to reprotect you on an airline Y only itinerary.
Anything else is pretty much anecdotal evidence and exceptions made to help the passenger.
That being said, you will always be better off if you are connecting airline X to airline Y, and ask airline Y to reprotect you on an airline Y only itinerary.
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I'm not sure why you'd even want to bother with 2 separate tickets. AC and BR interline with each other. Either phone AC or call a competent TA and they should be able to book this for you under a single ticket. If that happens, you'll be protected, etc.
IMHO I'd only purchase separate tickets if one of the carriers was non-IATA, or didn't have an interline agreement with the other carrier. Some carriers have fares that incur a surcharge for certain discounted fares if the ticket isn't on their own stock, but IIRC those surcharges are typically (relatively) fairly small. Price your ticket using ITA Matrix to confirm acceptable pricing and get it all on 1 ticket.
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But I have been wondering why the OP does not take the connecting BR flight. Which I seem to recall leaves plenty of time for connection, leaving around midnight or so. Of course the OP might need AQDs or something like that...
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If the fares aren't mixing well, a workaround is to just book the intra-Asia flight in Y. Many (most?) Y fares are mix able with anything, but you'll be stuck with an open jaw on the other end which may or may not be easy to price.
The whole thing isn't super cost efficient, but it makes for an easy solution if cost isn't a biggest of concerns.
The whole thing isn't super cost efficient, but it makes for an easy solution if cost isn't a biggest of concerns.
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YOWGary needs to fly DPS-WAS. The single ticket option would be BR DPS-TPE-SFO/LAX/SEA connecting onto one single UA for the remaining segment. Unfortunately the routing rules for the BR B/Y fares haven't been updated to include possible connections at ORD/IAH/NYC. Still, IAD is a UA hub, so finding a direct flight from SEA/LAX to WAS shouldn't be difficult; SFO-IAD should be even easier.
If it was up to me, I'd probably buy DPS-TPE-JFK B fare connecting onto a domestic EWR-IAD UA ticket and use AE points to upgrade the TPE-JFK segment (17.5 hour flight).
If it was up to me, I'd probably buy DPS-TPE-JFK B fare connecting onto a domestic EWR-IAD UA ticket and use AE points to upgrade the TPE-JFK segment (17.5 hour flight).
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If the fares aren't mixing well, a workaround is to just book the intra-Asia flight in Y. Many (most?) Y fares are mix able with anything, but you'll be stuck with an open jaw on the other end which may or may not be easy to price.
The whole thing isn't super cost efficient, but it makes for an easy solution if cost isn't a biggest of concerns.
The whole thing isn't super cost efficient, but it makes for an easy solution if cost isn't a biggest of concerns.