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For those of you interested only in the revised $450-million deal and related discussion, it starts on post 418:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/1926409-update-aimia-accepts-air-canada-td-cibc-visa-revised-450-million-aeroplan-bid-28.html#post30109427
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/1926409-update-aimia-accepts-air-canada-td-cibc-visa-revised-450-million-aeroplan-bid-28.html#post30109427
Update: Aimia accepts Air Canada, TD, CIBC & Visa revised $450-million Aeroplan bid
#721
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Actually, what remains to be done is the structure of the new program. AC has had a team working on it for some time now. I am comfortable that they know their timelines. I am equally comfortable that they have a better idea of the Ts & Cs of their current contract with Aimia than we do. Perhaps it spells out what AC can and can't do with regards to advertising their own program.
I've still got old issues or érrorplan laying around if you need 'em
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Actually, what remains to be done is the structure of the new program. AC has had a team working on it for some time now. I am comfortable that they know their timelines. I am equally comfortable that they have a better idea of the Ts & Cs of their current contract with Aimia than we do. Perhaps it spells out what AC can and can't do with regards to advertising their own program.
As an acquisition now, everything will be smoother for the customers. (not necessarily better for the customers, but smoother).
The question in my mind is if the fundamental problems were Aimia management & the contract; their technology; their people. And from that, how ruthless AC will be in firing or routing around obstructionist managers and SMEs.
#723
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The T&C could well specify the specifications of the board room table and water glass sizes to be offered at meetings, but Aimia getting out of the business, why would they care?
As an acquisition now, everything will be smoother for the customers. (not necessarily better for the customers, but smoother).
The question in my mind is if the fundamental problems were Aimia management & the contract; their technology; their people. And from that, how ruthless AC will be in firing or routing around obstructionist managers and SMEs.
As an acquisition now, everything will be smoother for the customers. (not necessarily better for the customers, but smoother).
The question in my mind is if the fundamental problems were Aimia management & the contract; their technology; their people. And from that, how ruthless AC will be in firing or routing around obstructionist managers and SMEs.
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#725
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Aeroplan could continue to exist for a while due to current contractual agreements with 3rd parties, or they might simply become partners in the new FFP.
#726
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Aimia's Shareholders Approve Sale of Aimia Canada to Air Canada and Reduction of Stated Capital
MONTREAL, Jan. 8, 2019 /CNW Telbec/ - Data-driven marketing and loyalty analytics company Aimia Inc. (TSX: AIM) ("Aimia") today announced that, at its special meeting of common and preferred shareholders (the "Meeting"), shareholders voted to approve the two special resolutions previously announced regarding:
With all regulatory and shareholder approvals now having been obtained, Aimia expects the Transaction to close in the coming days.
Source: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...849953015.html
MONTREAL, Jan. 8, 2019 /CNW Telbec/ - Data-driven marketing and loyalty analytics company Aimia Inc. (TSX: AIM) ("Aimia") today announced that, at its special meeting of common and preferred shareholders (the "Meeting"), shareholders voted to approve the two special resolutions previously announced regarding:
- the sale to Air Canada of all of the issued and outstanding share capital of Aimia Canada Inc. ("Aimia Canada"), the owner and operator of the Aeroplan loyalty program (the "Transaction"); and
- the reduction of the stated capital of Aimia's common shares to an aggregate amount of not less than $1,000,000 pursuant to subsection 38(1) of the Canada Business Corporations Act (the "Stated Capital Reduction").
With all regulatory and shareholder approvals now having been obtained, Aimia expects the Transaction to close in the coming days.
Source: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...849953015.html
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#728
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In Dec. I got a call (because I own shares of AIM) from some agent dealing with the transaction, to vote on the proposed AC buy. They guy said AC proposed to buy all of AIM shares. I had to correct him on what the proposed buy is. He then sent me an email, and again said AC is proposing to buy the shares of AIM.
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/aimi...debt-1.4248236
Aimia completes sale of Aeroplan loyalty program to Air Canada, repays debt
Aimia completes sale of Aeroplan loyalty program to Air Canada, repays debt
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Updated email has been sent out with a press release attached https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...yalty-Business
one thing that does look like may happen is the mRTW flights will probably go away with the "The best reward value for Air Canada flights, plus, unparalleled access to travel on over 40 partner airlines, including the Star Alliance global network" making it sound like it will be better to fly AC vs partners the opposite of what the system is right now
one thing that does look like may happen is the mRTW flights will probably go away with the "The best reward value for Air Canada flights, plus, unparalleled access to travel on over 40 partner airlines, including the Star Alliance global network" making it sound like it will be better to fly AC vs partners the opposite of what the system is right now
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Updated email has been sent out with a press release attached
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...yalty-Business
one thing that does look like may happen is the mRTW flights will probably go away with the "The best reward value for Air Canada flights, plus, unparalleled access to travel on over 40 partner airlines, including the Star Alliance global network" making it sound like it will be better to fly AC vs partners the opposite of what the system is right now
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...yalty-Business
one thing that does look like may happen is the mRTW flights will probably go away with the "The best reward value for Air Canada flights, plus, unparalleled access to travel on over 40 partner airlines, including the Star Alliance global network" making it sound like it will be better to fly AC vs partners the opposite of what the system is right now
Yes, also posted in this thread along with a copy of the email I just received
Air Canada to Launch Its Own Loyalty Program in 2020
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Interesting comments.
Did I miss a post somewhere that specified the number of Aeroplan employees that will be moving to Air Canada?
QUOTES:
"It is interesting to know that they value the unredeemed miles (unclear how many – must be billions) that Aeroplan business has on its books at $1.9 billion liability.
Half of Aimia’s 1,500 employees will move to Air Canada as part of the deal (not sure what the rest will do).
There really wasn’t any other way of doing this. Air Canada announced that they wouldn’t renew their deal with Aimia and would launch their own program. This lead to stock market value of Aimia crashing. Now that Aeroplan is back in house it ensure smooth transition to the new program in 2020 (better burn those miles NOW though)."
Air Canada Closes Aeroplan Purchase From Aimia
by John Ollila - Jan 10, 2019
https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/01/10/...se-from-aimia/
Did I miss a post somewhere that specified the number of Aeroplan employees that will be moving to Air Canada?
QUOTES:
"It is interesting to know that they value the unredeemed miles (unclear how many – must be billions) that Aeroplan business has on its books at $1.9 billion liability.
Half of Aimia’s 1,500 employees will move to Air Canada as part of the deal (not sure what the rest will do).
There really wasn’t any other way of doing this. Air Canada announced that they wouldn’t renew their deal with Aimia and would launch their own program. This lead to stock market value of Aimia crashing. Now that Aeroplan is back in house it ensure smooth transition to the new program in 2020 (better burn those miles NOW though)."
Air Canada Closes Aeroplan Purchase From Aimia
by John Ollila - Jan 10, 2019
https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/01/10/...se-from-aimia/
#733
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Will Air Canada follow United's lead?
I've always been worried the new Air Canada Aeroplan replacement will be dynamic pricing like Delta... this now seems even more likely and once an alliance member starts it puts more pressure on the rest of the alliance to follow suit. I get good value out of United redemptions... does this mean even less inventory for Aeroplan?
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How will we ever search for Aeroplan awards now?
I guess they could just switch everything to some version of market fares fairly easy, interesting times ahead to be sure.
I guess they could just switch everything to some version of market fares fairly easy, interesting times ahead to be sure.
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Aeroplan already has fully dynamic pricing. It's called "Market Fare", and has existed for many years (though under a different name before).