AC contractor Air Georgian had faulty maintenance (2019 Update; AC ends contract)
Feb 7, 2019, 6:21 pm
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Feb 7, 2019, 7:12 pm
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Chorus will secure preferred partner status on the operation of aircraft with up to 50 seats through a right to match third-party offers, thus enhancing growth opportunities.
It leads me to think that AC is getting out of the BEH and DH1 markets if Jazz and Georgian won't operate BEH or DH1 aircraft. So it looks like EVAS will operate BEH out east unless that relationship ends too. And all DH1 aircraft is ending sooner rather than later. AC isn't going to play and fly to small markets anymore. Meaning markets like YYC-YQL/YXH/YXC are either getting cut or may only operate once or twice a day on DH3 aircraft.
Feb 8, 2019, 11:54 pm
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I've heard a few things about Georgian from some insiders, and I don't want to elaborate for fear of getting certain people in trouble. The things I'd heard were that while there were some concerns, the story blew them out of proportion. I'd heard stories about the guy from the original NP "whistleblower" story while he was still employed there before any of this stuff came out - all I'll say is that in this case I'd take his story with a grain of salt and lean towards the airline's position of it being an ex employee with an axe to grind.
As has been pointed out, it is a win win for 2 of the 3 vested interests; Air crews have option to transfer to Jazz, Rouge or AC mainline and customers have access to a better network. Maybe Georgian will merge with Porter or sell out to another regional.
Feb 10, 2019, 4:43 am
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Contractor that operates thousands of Air Canada flights had faulty maintenance, safety-management: federal investigation National Post
A company that provides thousands of Air Canada-branded flights annually had flawed safety-management, quality-control and maintenance systems, which helped trigger a landing-gear breakdown and tense emergency landing two years ago, a federal investigation has concluded.
A company that provides thousands of Air Canada-branded flights annually had flawed safety-management, quality-control and maintenance systems, which helped trigger a landing-gear breakdown and tense emergency landing two years ago, a federal investigation has concluded.
in an internal memo, Georgian said the TSB’s investigator showed bias, bullied employees and acted insensitively toward staff whose first language was not English. And it has called the allegations of current and former employees false and in some cases motivated by revenge.
A few years ago, visiting a friend via one of AG’s BEH, he started telling me about the horrible safety record... I wasn’t clear if he meant AG, BEH’s, or both, and asked him to not share any more due to my return flight. He used to work in the industry, not for AG.
It will be interesting to see what AC does on the YYC-YXC route. I don’t have stats handy, but I believe pax have been steadily increasing the last 10+ yrs in YXC. The ~3x WS flights a day on 34 pax Saab 340b’s seem to have significant ridership, and the one I took was packed to the gills. It seems AC misjudged this market, and drove customers away - perhaps upgauging would bring people back. As for YXC-YVR, most DH3 flights are full or close to it, with the exception of the new 6am flight. They could easily upgauge that route too, with 1-2x/weekday on DH4’s or CRx’s. Heck, I expect reviving jet service would drive a good chunk of new business.
Feb 10, 2019, 7:01 pm
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Yikes. Had no idea about some of these issues. And doesn’t exactly make me feel good about flying CVG-YYZ nonstop on Friday. I often fly UA via ORD (which I am for the return), but occasionally do these non-stop when it makes sense cost and/or convenience-wise. And doesn’t really make me want to book this non-stop again.
I wonder when Jazz will take over. Just looked at booking into Jan 2020 and still shows Air Georgian. Also wonder how long the safety issues will take to fix, given these will likely be the same aircraft being flown by a different carrier. Who knows how long the maintenance definciancies can lag and be problematic, even if they are properly maintained going forward.
I wonder when Jazz will take over. Just looked at booking into Jan 2020 and still shows Air Georgian. Also wonder how long the safety issues will take to fix, given these will likely be the same aircraft being flown by a different carrier. Who knows how long the maintenance definciancies can lag and be problematic, even if they are properly maintained going forward.
Feb 10, 2019, 8:25 pm
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If there was a landing gear failure that was in part due to maintenance issues as suggested in the report that appears to be prima facie evidence that the system is not working.
I seem to recall claims in the YHZ crash that the "system was working" because no one died. With that kind of logic so long as the universe does not collapse all systems everywhere are "working."
I seem to recall claims in the YHZ crash that the "system was working" because no one died. With that kind of logic so long as the universe does not collapse all systems everywhere are "working."
Feb 10, 2019, 9:42 pm
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If there was a landing gear failure that was in part due to maintenance issues as suggested in the report that appears to be prima facie evidence that the system is not working.
I seem to recall claims in the YHZ crash that the "system was working" because no one died. With that kind of logic so long as the universe does not collapse all systems everywhere are "working."
I seem to recall claims in the YHZ crash that the "system was working" because no one died. With that kind of logic so long as the universe does not collapse all systems everywhere are "working."
It seems many folks would accept an incident rate no higher than zero to be satisfied that a system is effective. At the risk of bursting a lot of bubbles, failure of people, procedures and machinery will never reach that zero rate. I'm not commenting specifically on the inner workings (or failings) of Air Georgian itself, but I will defend the SMS and general aviation safety culture in Canada. I fully acknowledge that there is room for improvement in many places. Perhaps some of the Chicken Littles can ease back on their criticisms?
Feb 11, 2019, 10:17 am
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Interesting to see the lawyer representing the pilot being sued for libel. Worked with him previously on a different libel case --- he's not cheap but gets results.
Going to bet that the pilot is spending a significant penny defending.
Going to bet that the pilot is spending a significant penny defending.
Feb 14, 2019, 11:52 am
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https://lethbridgeherald.com/news/le...r-calgary-run/
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Feb 14, 2019, 1:21 pm
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Ac.com appears to show the new YQL schedule (with 3 flights a day vs the current 5) but aircraft type and operator yet to be updated. YXH is going from 4 to 2 and YXC is gone from YYC around May
Feb 14, 2019, 1:58 pm
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At least for YQL, we’re getting DH1’s albeit at a reduced frequency...
https://lethbridgeherald.com/news/le...r-calgary-run/
Starting April 30, Air Canada confirms, 50-seat turboprops will replace the narrow-body Beechcraft 1900 planes that have covered the Lethbridge-to-Calgary run for many years.
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Feb 14, 2019, 3:07 pm
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Yes, you are correct, and I knew that. Brain not engaged this morning! I’ve fixed my original post. Thanks.