AC501 6:40 AM; Overnight Stay at Airport?
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AC501 6:40 AM; Overnight Stay at Airport?
Hi,
Advice needed:
Gotta get myself to ORD for NH11 (11:20AM departure) to NRT (same ticket; AP award). Either AC501 departing at 6:40AM and arriving at 7:30AM or AC503 departing at 8:45AM arriving at 9:30AM. AC503 was over an hour late yesterday so I’m not sure if I should book AC503 given my NH11 is in F.
I have 1 checked luggage and Nexus/ Global Entry.
So I most likely will book AC501 as my positioning flight. I live downtown close to Union Station; UP (Union-Pearson) Airport Express starts at like 5AM and takes half an hour so that’s 5:30AM at best. Given AC501 departs at 6:40AM, arriving at 5:30AM even with Nexus is probably a bit too late?
So is my best option here staying at an airport hotel with 24 hr shuttle? The Fairfield Inn for example. I don’t eat breakfast- just coffee and one apple from any lounge will do. I do think they serve a hot breakfast in AC501 J cabin.
Thanks in advance for your input: e.g., take AC503 and 1 to 1.5 hour connection is fine or take AC501? When’s the latest I can get to the airport for AC501? Hotel stay needed?
Advice needed:
Gotta get myself to ORD for NH11 (11:20AM departure) to NRT (same ticket; AP award). Either AC501 departing at 6:40AM and arriving at 7:30AM or AC503 departing at 8:45AM arriving at 9:30AM. AC503 was over an hour late yesterday so I’m not sure if I should book AC503 given my NH11 is in F.
I have 1 checked luggage and Nexus/ Global Entry.
So I most likely will book AC501 as my positioning flight. I live downtown close to Union Station; UP (Union-Pearson) Airport Express starts at like 5AM and takes half an hour so that’s 5:30AM at best. Given AC501 departs at 6:40AM, arriving at 5:30AM even with Nexus is probably a bit too late?
So is my best option here staying at an airport hotel with 24 hr shuttle? The Fairfield Inn for example. I don’t eat breakfast- just coffee and one apple from any lounge will do. I do think they serve a hot breakfast in AC501 J cabin.
Thanks in advance for your input: e.g., take AC503 and 1 to 1.5 hour connection is fine or take AC501? When’s the latest I can get to the airport for AC501? Hotel stay needed?
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I wouldn’t do 1,5 hours in ORD if the consequence of misconnect is that great. If you need a hotel stay and it is important to get there I would personally just fly to ORD the night before. You might pay a bit more for the hotel (unless you really lower your standards) but you’ll enjoy an evening flight more, get benefit of free drinks and also give you more time in the lounge in ORD.
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I wouldn’t do 1,5 hours in ORD if the consequence of misconnect is that great. If you need a hotel stay and it is important to get there I would personally just fly to ORD the night before. You might pay a bit more for the hotel (unless you really lower your standards) but you’ll enjoy an evening flight more, get benefit of free drinks and also give you more time in the lounge in ORD.
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The delay yesterday looks like an anomaly, with most recent flights arriving close to on schedule. Remember that you will arrive as a domestic PAX in ORD with no security to clear. Even 30 mins should be enough to make a connection. Published MCT for ORD is 40 mins.
I would ask two questions:
1. Will having a short night and getting up very early help you sleep on the ORD-NRT flight?
2. What are the consequences for you of a missed connection in ORD? Prepaid hotel in NRT? Lost day of vacation? Have you plans B and C ready. I suggest you check the loadings for NH11 the day after your scheduled flight to see if there is space. There is also a later UA flight every day.
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I would ask two questions:
1. Will having a short night and getting up very early help you sleep on the ORD-NRT flight?
2. What are the consequences for you of a missed connection in ORD? Prepaid hotel in NRT? Lost day of vacation? Have you plans B and C ready. I suggest you check the loadings for NH11 the day after your scheduled flight to see if there is space. There is also a later UA flight every day.
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I believe the question you are asking relates to individual comfort levels. Only you can answer the question about which option you would be most comfortable with.
For me, well I normally arrive at airports within 1 hr of departure. I never plan to be there any sooner than that. I also wouldn't consider a 1 hour connection in ORD as anything out of the ordinary.
Full disclosure, I also leave connecting issues due to late arrivals in the hands of AC. I have had Boris meet me on an inbound and walk me to a 15 minute UA connection in ORD, He knows their gate staff.
For me, well I normally arrive at airports within 1 hr of departure. I never plan to be there any sooner than that. I also wouldn't consider a 1 hour connection in ORD as anything out of the ordinary.
Full disclosure, I also leave connecting issues due to late arrivals in the hands of AC. I have had Boris meet me on an inbound and walk me to a 15 minute UA connection in ORD, He knows their gate staff.
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I have not checked recently, but I stayed at the ORD Hilton for just over $100 CAD this past March Break. That was to ensure that I made my early ORD departure. I did book nearly a year in advance, so YMMV.
It's connected right to the terminal, so one doesn't need to walk outside.
It's connected right to the terminal, so one doesn't need to walk outside.
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do you do a 100 times a year to once a day F flights with no obvious recovery?
. This morning the early AC flight returned to gate and the next flight has a predicted 40 minute delay with storms still in the area. My husband flew in from YYZ to ORD and had a five hour mechanical delay on UA; it sucked but at least we are ready to drive to our planned destination this morning.
Agree it it is all about individual comfort, but buying a connecting flight with multiple recovery options is a very different consequence.
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do you do a 100 times a year on separate tickets? The OP asked about a positioning flight. He is also on a once a day F flight. This morning the early AC flight returned to gate and the next flight has a predicted 40 minute delay with storms still in the area. My husband flew in from YYZ to ORD and has a five hour mechanical delay on AC it sucked but at least we are ready to drive to our planned destination this morning.
Agree it it is all about individual comfort, but buying a connecting flight with multiple recovery options is a very different consequence.
Like I said, it comes down to personal comfort levels, and also personal situations. I get that. For someone who flies less frequently, an additional night on the road, for each trip, could mean one or two extra nights per year. That might not be significant. For me, it would mean one or two extra nights per week. I thought your reply was a great solution for the OP. I also thought the op could use an alternative opinion, so I shared my opinion.
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The bottom line here is that OP is not connecting at ORD. Yet there are repeated references from experienced fliers as to what they prefer and others ought to do on connections.
OP is traveling on separate tickets. Thus, if he no shows for his onward flight to NRT, his ticket will be cancelled and the consequences of his no show will be determined by the ticket's fare rules. OP has not posted his fare rules, so we do not know. But, at a minimum, he will likely have to pay significant fees or even purchase a new ticket at walk-up prices, and spend some time at ORD or take a circuitous route to NRT.
For connections, it is about comfort levels. For separate tickets, it is about risk tolerance. In this case, OP is spending the night at a hotel, whether he does so at his origin or ORD. There may be smallish variations in room cost and amenities, but ORD presents not only comfort in an unhurried transfer including nice lounge access.
Beyond that, the question is what a delayed arrival at NRT means to OP. Is this a leisure trip where 24 hours is annoying, but inconsequential or a business meeting where the value of the trip is in being on time?
OP is traveling on separate tickets. Thus, if he no shows for his onward flight to NRT, his ticket will be cancelled and the consequences of his no show will be determined by the ticket's fare rules. OP has not posted his fare rules, so we do not know. But, at a minimum, he will likely have to pay significant fees or even purchase a new ticket at walk-up prices, and spend some time at ORD or take a circuitous route to NRT.
For connections, it is about comfort levels. For separate tickets, it is about risk tolerance. In this case, OP is spending the night at a hotel, whether he does so at his origin or ORD. There may be smallish variations in room cost and amenities, but ORD presents not only comfort in an unhurried transfer including nice lounge access.
Beyond that, the question is what a delayed arrival at NRT means to OP. Is this a leisure trip where 24 hours is annoying, but inconsequential or a business meeting where the value of the trip is in being on time?
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Nope, I didn't say, nor did I imply, that. What I did say, however, in direct contrast to your opinion, was that I frequently trust AC to get me to my connections on time. I have also been 100 percent transparent about the fact that, with my status, I do have people that look out for me. I also gave an example of a 15 minute connection from AC to UA in ORD, but qualified it by describing the service I received. Why do you twist the words of someone who is trying to be meticulously transparent? The op asked a question and deserves balanced replies.
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In that case, I would book the 1.5 hour connection, since there is no risk of getting abandoned at ORD. Worst case scenario, get rebooked on LH F, revenue, in the afternoon
NH doesnt require a trek to T5.
And no, I would not trust the airline with the worst on-time performance in North America to get to me to a separate connection on time, these particular flights are well above the AC average at 86 and 68% on time (with significant schedule padding included)
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Actually after re-reading, it seems that it is the same ticket and an Aeroplan award, its just weirdly worded in the OP.
In that case, I would book the 1.5 hour connection, since there is no risk of getting abandoned at ORD. Worst case scenario, get rebooked on LH F, revenue, in the afternoon
NH doesnt require a trek to T5.
In that case, I would book the 1.5 hour connection, since there is no risk of getting abandoned at ORD. Worst case scenario, get rebooked on LH F, revenue, in the afternoon
NH doesnt require a trek to T5.