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Starting in May 2018 the "Flagship" numbers 001/002 are transferred to HND from NRT

Starting in May 2018 the "Flagship" numbers 001/002 are transferred to HND from NRT

Old Mar 17, 18, 4:03 pm
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Starting in May 2018 the "Flagship" numbers 001/002 are transferred to HND from NRT

Starting in May the "Flagship" numbers 001/002 are transferred to HND from NRT (with the cessation of the YYZ-NRT route).

Previously 005/006.
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Old Mar 17, 18, 6:34 pm
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Interesting, I guess I have been out of the loop as I see there are no more NRT flights from YYZ. They are trying to route you through YUL, YYC or YVR to get to NRT.
I see YYZ only does HND nonstop now. What a change from a few from a years ago that HND was so hard to get into and now it is the preference of many!
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Old Mar 17, 18, 6:39 pm
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Originally Posted by corruptcanadian View Post
Interesting, I guess I have been out of the loop as I see there are no more NRT flights from YYZ. They are trying to route you through YUL, YYC or YVR to get to NRT.
I see YYZ only does HND nonstop now. What a change from a few from a years ago that HND was so hard to get into and now it is the preference of many!

Discussed here last October

Air Canada Introduces Montreal-Tokyo Narita Non-stop Flights
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Old Mar 17, 18, 6:49 pm
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Originally Posted by corruptcanadian View Post
Interesting, I guess I have been out of the loop as I see there are no more NRT flights from YYZ. They are trying to route you through YUL, YYC or YVR to get to NRT.
I see YYZ only does HND nonstop now. What a change from a few from a years ago that HND was so hard to get into and now it is the preference of many!
I think that NRT is still slot constrained, and it (the slot) was swapped out to YUL. HND is equally as difficult (if not more so) for a foreign carrier to secure rights to. AC was granted a gem of a spot at HND.
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Old Mar 17, 18, 7:20 pm
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Thanks for the update and link. Just read that NRT will get a new runway soon too.
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Old Mar 17, 18, 8:12 pm
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Didn't AC inherit and continue these flight numbers from CP?
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Old Mar 17, 18, 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by corruptcanadian View Post
Just read that NRT will get a new runway soon too.
I suspect soon still means 5-10 years away.

Government, local municipalities approve Tokyo Narita third runway | Airports & Routes content from ATWOnline

Tokyo Narita Airport has taken an important step in its efforts to add a third runway and extend operating hours, after gaining clearance for its plans from local authorities.
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Old Mar 18, 18, 12:56 am
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Originally Posted by fin 645 View Post
Didn't AC inherit and continue these flight numbers from CP?
Looking back at a Canadian timetable from April 1991:

CP1 YYZ-NRT-HKG 1- - 4 - - - D10
CP1 YYZ-NRT - - - - - 6 - D10
CP2 HKG-NRT-HKG - - 3 - 5- - D10
CP2 NRT-YYZ - - - - - 6 - D10

CP3&4 was YYZ-YVR-NRT and back
CP5&6 was YVR-NRT and back
CP7&8 was YYZ-YVR-HKG-BKK or YYZ-YVR-TPE-HKG
CP9&10 was YVR-NGO and back
CP15&16 was YYC-YEG-NRT and back
CP27&28 was YYZ-HNL and back
CP33&34 was YVR-HNL and back

CP40 - 99 was FCO, MXP, CDG, MUC, FRA, LGW, MAN
CP100-107 was MEX, LIM, GIG, GRU, EZE and SCL
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Old Mar 18, 18, 1:58 am
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Perhaps the flight is really returning to HND, as presumably CP would have served HND before NRT opened in the 70s?
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Old Mar 18, 18, 2:18 am
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CP used flight 401&402 for Tokyo until 1985, when it was switched to 1&2.
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Old Mar 18, 18, 4:17 am
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Originally Posted by dodgy View Post
CP used flight 401&402 for Tokyo until 1985, when it was switched to 1&2.
I guess that means that CP and AC had no "flagship" flights back then if 1 and 2 were not being used.
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Old Mar 18, 18, 5:15 am
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I think we are relatively lucky with the time slots AC got at HND for these routes. If you look at some of the US Carriers, they have atrocious time slots
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Old Mar 18, 18, 9:04 am
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Just from the dates I've been looking at... The pricing for Premium Economy is sometimes $3000+. Yes, I know, demand and the timing is excellent. I've done the route 3 times, and love staying at a nearby hotel when I have a 6-12 hour layover.

I'd love to go to Tokyo again, but can't at those prices. Cheaper for me to fly to any nearby location (HKG/ICN/TPE) and then book a separate ticket.
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Old Mar 18, 18, 2:27 pm
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Great benefit of HND besides its proximity to Central Tokyo is connectivity to the "inner/city" airports at destinations with dual & multi airport status such as:

Taipei TSA
Osaka ITM
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Old Mar 18, 18, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by TTC192Rocket View Post
Just from the dates I've been looking at... The pricing for Premium Economy is sometimes $3000+. Yes, I know, demand and the timing is excellent. I've done the route 3 times, and love staying at a nearby hotel when I have a 6-12 hour layover.

I'd love to go to Tokyo again, but can't at those prices. Cheaper for me to fly to any nearby location (HKG/ICN/TPE) and then book a separate ticket.
If you can hack rouge, try Premium Rouge to KIX...pretty well the same as premium Economy. I booked a YYZ-YVR-KIX, PE mainline to/from YVR, Premium Rouge YVR-KIX $1511 all in vs $3000 direct YYZ-HND. Yeah, I will take a stop over for 1500 bucks and help myself to some food and drinks in the lounge.

I am not interested in flying to Tokyo in Y, but I will only go so high for PE and when they want 3 grand plus, forget it.
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