Rouge being replaced by Mainline for Hawaii/Mexico and Osaka routes from YVR/YYC
Mar 5, 2018, 7:31 am
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If you had said UA gets really good money for their lie-flats to Hawaii, AC might be interested.
Mar 5, 2018, 7:38 am
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I agree - we flew rouge on points in business last January to HLN and it was a total waste of the miles - and they changed the schedule a few months out so we lost a day of our vacation. I would rather pay the cash and fly westjet plus than rouge.
Mar 5, 2018, 8:52 am
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Regardless of branding, 30 year old's with 5 years experience tend to make less than 50 year old'd with 25 years experience. Rouge crews might be on a slightly worse contract over all, but all crews hired post bankruptcy are cheaper then those who have been around since TCA.
Mar 5, 2018, 12:31 pm
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What terrible news. I'm liking the 737Max even less, and I'm sure this is just the beginning.
I completely understand why AC is retiring their 767s, but they are a comfortable alternative to a narrow body plane on a six hour flight to Hawaii. I even prefer them on a short jaunt to PHX, yes, even in Y. With many of the YYZ-YVR trunk route flights becoming a choice between Rouge and the SlaveShip, it looks to be a grim experience for most. I expect WS would be smart to deploy their new Dreamliners on this route as well.
That seems a rather superangry reply.
I completely understand why AC is retiring their 767s, but they are a comfortable alternative to a narrow body plane on a six hour flight to Hawaii. I even prefer them on a short jaunt to PHX, yes, even in Y. With many of the YYZ-YVR trunk route flights becoming a choice between Rouge and the SlaveShip, it looks to be a grim experience for most. I expect WS would be smart to deploy their new Dreamliners on this route as well.
That seems a rather superangry reply.
Mar 5, 2018, 1:32 pm
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Mar 5, 2018, 1:36 pm
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No different than AC selling their lie flats to Europe/Asia from the USA at a fraction of the cost of ex-Canada prices.
Mar 5, 2018, 3:17 pm
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And that has transitioned largely to a 737-800 fleet. Just like Alaska who plies the Pacific with hundreds of flights weekly. There may well be the odd lie-flat UA aircraft to Hawaii, but probably tied into aircraft rotation versus a nicety. Airlines are not going to deploy their best real estate on a route that has always been marginally yielding at best.
Mar 5, 2018, 3:47 pm
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really mainline has become Rouge, the 767 on Rouge is better in Y than a 787 or 777HD. Rouge proved to AC that customers don't care about seat pitch, so eliminate Rouge and just put Rouge y seating mainline. ( i guess the only extra expense is FA get paid more on mainline, vs Rouge????)
Mar 5, 2018, 3:56 pm
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And that has transitioned largely to a 737-800 fleet. Just like Alaska who plies the Pacific with hundreds of flights weekly. There may well be the odd lie-flat UA aircraft to Hawaii, but probably tied into aircraft rotation versus a nicety. Airlines are not going to deploy their best real estate on a route that has always been marginally yielding at best.
United has over 20 domestic 777's.
So united has actually added MANY layflats to HNL so the exact opposite of what you are saying, AC went the other way and put on Rouge 767, and now even a bigger downgage to 737's
At UA the 757-200 the flew from the west coast are been replaced by 737, or 777.
Mar 5, 2018, 4:05 pm
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Actually UA has 767-400/300 from IAD/EWR layflat, 777 from ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/LAX all with lay flats. However the 777 are 'domestic" 777's with only 28 layflat seats.
United has over 20 domestic 777's.
So united has actually added MANY layflats to HNL so the exact opposite of what you are saying, AC went the other way and put on Rouge 767, and now even a bigger downgage to 737's
At UA the 757-200 the flew from the west coast are been replaced by 737, or 777.
United has over 20 domestic 777's.
So united has actually added MANY layflats to HNL so the exact opposite of what you are saying, AC went the other way and put on Rouge 767, and now even a bigger downgage to 737's
At UA the 757-200 the flew from the west coast are been replaced by 737, or 777.
Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 pm
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Mar 5, 2018, 4:23 pm
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And that has transitioned largely to a 737-800 fleet. Just like Alaska who plies the Pacific with hundreds of flights weekly. There may well be the odd lie-flat UA aircraft to Hawaii, but probably tied into aircraft rotation versus a nicety. Airlines are not going to deploy their best real estate on a route that has always been marginally yielding at best.
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8 777s 1 767 4 757s 6 737s
Mar 5, 2018, 5:01 pm
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In that industry-leading 2-4-2 J configuration with a bunch of rear-facing seats (but still better than premium rouge).