Air Canada announces plans to retire E190 fleet
Mar 20, 2018, 5:01 am
#47
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: YHZ/YQM
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 1,618
Mar 20, 2018, 5:25 am
#48
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,361
Mar 20, 2018, 1:41 pm
#49
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Ottawa and Montreal
Programs: SPG Gold / IHG Spire / Emerald Executive Elite
Posts: 457
Mar 20, 2018, 3:14 pm
#50
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: YVR
Programs: Bottom feeder Star Gold
Posts: 2,652
I echo those who will miss the 190s. I have spent many a journey aboard them between YLW-YYZ and YEG/YYC-YOW and agree they were the most comfortable Y seats in the fleet. Perhaps luckily, I never suffered from any aircraft unreliability problems, so will be left with a good feeling about their too-short time in the fleet.
Mar 20, 2018, 3:44 pm
#51
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Vancouver
Programs: Aeroplan, Mileage Plus, WestJet Gold, AMEX Plat
Posts: 2,026
I echo those who will miss the 190s. I have spent many a journey aboard them between YLW-YYZ and YEG/YYC-YOW and agree they were the most comfortable Y seats in the fleet. Perhaps luckily, I never suffered from any aircraft unreliability problems, so will be left with a good feeling about their too-short time in the fleet.
Apr 27, 2018, 4:59 pm
#53
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: YQR
Programs: NEXUS; alas, no status anymore.
Posts: 1,181
I always liked these planes. 95% of the time I fly YQR-YYZ or vice versa, it's an E90.
I seem to recall a year or so ago that AC had a deal to sell these to Delta when they were done with them...?
I seem to recall a year or so ago that AC had a deal to sell these to Delta when they were done with them...?
Apr 27, 2018, 8:55 pm
#54
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*A
Posts: 482
https://airwaysmag.com/industry/who-...act-rejection/
Apr 27, 2018, 9:26 pm
#55
Moderator, Air Canada; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE MM, FB Plat, WS Plat, BA Silver, DL GM, Marriott Plat, Hilton Gold, Accor Silver
Posts: 16,766
Just to be clear on the E90s and Delta...
As part of AC's order for 7M8s, Boeing agreed to take 20 E90s off AC's hands. Beyond that, it didn't matter to AC what Boeing did with them.
Boeing subsequently made a deal to sell AC's 20 E90s to DL.
That deal was conditional on DL's pilots agreeing to some contract changes, which were rejected. I believe that DL subsequently re-worked and then had rejected again.
DL was still on the hook to purchase them from Boeing (see, for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotthamilton5/2016/05/17/embraer-cries-foul-over-delta-c-series-deal-but-it-may-be-more-commercial-than-you-think/amp/)
DL re-sold 19 of the planes to a lessor without ever putting them in service: http://www.aircraftinvestor.com/articles/news/nac-to-purchase-19-embraer-e190-aircraft-from-delta-123/
Some of those planes ended up with AM (in which DL happens to own a substantial stake, so whether they truly washed their hands of those planes, who knows), others are with a Georgian airline and some appear to have been sold for parts - a firm called Beautech Power Systems that specializes in CF34 engines has acquired a few. Planespotters thinks those fins have been scrapped, but whether that's true or they're just sitting around with no engines, who knows.
In any case, that deal was made long ago. This thread was about AC announcing that they were getting rid of the 25 E90s that remained after the Boeing DL.
As part of AC's order for 7M8s, Boeing agreed to take 20 E90s off AC's hands. Beyond that, it didn't matter to AC what Boeing did with them.
Boeing subsequently made a deal to sell AC's 20 E90s to DL.
That deal was conditional on DL's pilots agreeing to some contract changes, which were rejected. I believe that DL subsequently re-worked and then had rejected again.
DL was still on the hook to purchase them from Boeing (see, for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotthamilton5/2016/05/17/embraer-cries-foul-over-delta-c-series-deal-but-it-may-be-more-commercial-than-you-think/amp/)
DL re-sold 19 of the planes to a lessor without ever putting them in service: http://www.aircraftinvestor.com/articles/news/nac-to-purchase-19-embraer-e190-aircraft-from-delta-123/
Some of those planes ended up with AM (in which DL happens to own a substantial stake, so whether they truly washed their hands of those planes, who knows), others are with a Georgian airline and some appear to have been sold for parts - a firm called Beautech Power Systems that specializes in CF34 engines has acquired a few. Planespotters thinks those fins have been scrapped, but whether that's true or they're just sitting around with no engines, who knows.
In any case, that deal was made long ago. This thread was about AC announcing that they were getting rid of the 25 E90s that remained after the Boeing DL.
Apr 28, 2018, 1:45 am
#56
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: yyz/ord
Programs: AC E50 UA1k 2MM AA EXP Royal Ambassador SPG Platinum
Posts: 1,516
Just to be clear on the E90s and Delta...
As part of AC's order for 7M8s, Boeing agreed to take 20 E90s off AC's hands. Beyond that, it didn't matter to AC what Boeing did with them.
Boeing subsequently made a deal to sell AC's 20 E90s to DL.
That deal was conditional on DL's pilots agreeing to some contract changes, which were rejected. I believe that DL subsequently re-worked and then had rejected again.
DL was still on the hook to purchase them from Boeing (see, for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottha...you-think/amp/)
DL re-sold 19 of the planes to a lessor without ever putting them in service: NAC to purchase 19 Embraer E190 aircraft from Delta | Aircraft Investor <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.glb12pkgr.com/js/68565.js" ></script> <noscript><img src="http://www.glb12pkgr.com/68565.png" style="display:none;" /></noscript>
Some of those planes ended up with AM (in which DL happens to own a substantial stake, so whether they truly washed their hands of those planes, who knows), others are with a Georgian airline and some appear to have been sold for parts - a firm called Beautech Power Systems that specializes in CF34 engines has acquired a few. Planespotters thinks those fins have been scrapped, but whether that's true or they're just sitting around with no engines, who knows.
In any case, that deal was made long ago. This thread was about AC announcing that they were getting rid of the 25 E90s that remained after the Boeing DL.
As part of AC's order for 7M8s, Boeing agreed to take 20 E90s off AC's hands. Beyond that, it didn't matter to AC what Boeing did with them.
Boeing subsequently made a deal to sell AC's 20 E90s to DL.
That deal was conditional on DL's pilots agreeing to some contract changes, which were rejected. I believe that DL subsequently re-worked and then had rejected again.
DL was still on the hook to purchase them from Boeing (see, for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottha...you-think/amp/)
DL re-sold 19 of the planes to a lessor without ever putting them in service: NAC to purchase 19 Embraer E190 aircraft from Delta | Aircraft Investor <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.glb12pkgr.com/js/68565.js" ></script> <noscript><img src="http://www.glb12pkgr.com/68565.png" style="display:none;" /></noscript>
Some of those planes ended up with AM (in which DL happens to own a substantial stake, so whether they truly washed their hands of those planes, who knows), others are with a Georgian airline and some appear to have been sold for parts - a firm called Beautech Power Systems that specializes in CF34 engines has acquired a few. Planespotters thinks those fins have been scrapped, but whether that's true or they're just sitting around with no engines, who knows.
In any case, that deal was made long ago. This thread was about AC announcing that they were getting rid of the 25 E90s that remained after the Boeing DL.
chuckle just like the A380 OF SQ, very poor resale market for these E90. I guess AC will have to give away the last of the E90's and they might be scrapped.
Apr 28, 2018, 7:52 am
#57
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Vancouver
Programs: Aeroplan, Mileage Plus, WestJet Gold, AMEX Plat
Posts: 2,026
It sounds like the cost of operating an E90 is higher than thouse new 737 that AC has been adding to the fleet recently. If that is true, I can see why no airline wants to invest money in these.
Apr 29, 2018, 2:24 am
#58
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: yyz/ord
Programs: AC E50 UA1k 2MM AA EXP Royal Ambassador SPG Platinum
Posts: 1,516
its seems so wasteful to send E90 to the scrap heap but even worse is sending Singapores A380 to the scrap yard.
Right now with so many problems with 787 and Rolls Royce Engines old planes are going to be in demand to wet lease to help alrlines cover some of these airlines. interesting times in the used plane market.
Apr 30, 2018, 7:10 pm
#60
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC*SE 2MM
Posts: 16,648
Embraer hasn't actually sold a lot of E2's (yet) - 63 190's and 65 195's to mostly obscure carriers other than ILFC. But yes new wing and engine should make them considerably more economical to operate.