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Introducing Air Canada Basic Economy

Introducing Air Canada Basic Economy

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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by jc94 View Post
To be clear they aren't offering advanced seat selection, they're offering to let you buy it at twice the price of Tango advanced seat selection.
Good point, thanks — I clarified my original post.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by jc94 View Post
To be clear they aren't offering advanced seat selection, they're offering to let you buy it at twice the price of Tango advanced seat selection.
I rest my case.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:07 am
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Doesn't look like they're selling yet...
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by trek604 View Post
What about AQD? If the company only spends on lowest-fare, I wonder if these will count towards the annual spend? If not, quite a few people, including myself would be royally screwed.
Not sure that matter if the fares have zero AQM/AQS?
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:33 am
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I thought Tango was basic economy ?
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by Jebby_ca View Post
Branded fares have already been a disaster for my corp travel portal. My corp portal is restricted to showing FLEX and LATITUDE fares only. However, if low FLEX fares are available, my portal only shows LATITUDE and I have to call in.

I don't see why this would make it impossible to share fare codes with other fare types. With the same fare code, AC is already able to determine how many AQMs and AQDs you receive. And only the fare basis (TANGO / FLEX) shows up in your Altitude dashboard. It'd be very easy for AC to say WxxxBasic earns 0 AQM, 0 AQD, 0 AQS.
That's basically how United does it. They have Y fare basis codes that book into N (basic economy).

UA had branded fares long before AC
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by sz549 View Post
Not sure that matter if the fares have zero AQM/AQS?
It matters if you are short of AQD but have enough miles. AC introduced AQD to cut our the bottom feeders, it's possible to fly 95 segments (or 100k AQM) without hitting $20k otherwise AC wouldn't have done it, say you normally fly 155 segments and your AQD is $20,000 and now 55 of those segments are BE. You'll still have your SE segments but some chunk of your travel is now AQD less. Maybe your AQD is now $16k, or $19k, or whatever, this is a rough example. Fact is AC aren't going to award you SE status if your AQD is way below. AC wins, you lose.

Originally Posted by vernonc View Post
I thought Tango was basic economy ?
Correct. This new class is called Economy Basic. Not to be confused with UA's Basic Economy which one can very easily and by default filter out of.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by aircanada_loyal View Post
This cannot be real, https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...in-canada.html I don't like it one bit.
Not sure why this is a surprise. When AC announced branded fares in a previous investor presentation, they announced that there will be a fare brand below Tango, and here it is. There are also plans for a fare brand between Flex and Latitude.

Originally Posted by pewpew View Post
UA doesn't care if you have M FL/TG. Both are credited equally.
For now. I wouldn't count on this long term. And if these basic economy fares are not meant to be mileage earning, then they won't earn mileage in any programme. No different than other non-mileage earning fares that book into regular booking codes.

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I believe this won't be the case, it will be a disaster for corp travel portal users as well as travel agents. Also BE won't earn any AQM make it impossible to share fare codes with other fare types.
The only RBD really available for AC to use at this point is F (which they use for limited ACV flights, but would be easy to re-purpose). But the whole point of them introducing branded fares is to allow re-use of existing RBDs across different fare products.

While I understand some challenges with certain booking portals and their (poor) implementations, there should not be a problem for bookings made directly in a GDS. Branded Fares/Fare Families/Fare Tiers have existed in each GDS based on what is defined by ATPCO. If an agent does not know how to actually book and price these, that's on the agent/agency for poor training, not the technology.

Also RBD has no impact on whether fare is mileage is accrued or not and at what rate.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by jc94 View Post
It matters if you are short of AQD but have enough miles. AC introduced AQD to cut our the bottom feeders, it's possible to fly 95 segments (or 100k AQM) without hitting $20k otherwise AC wouldn't have done it, say you normally fly 155 segments and your AQD is $20,000 and now 55 of those segments are BE. You'll still have your SE segments but some chunk of your travel is now AQD less. Maybe your AQD is now $16k, or $19k, or whatever, this is a rough example. Fact is AC aren't going to award you SE status if your AQD is way below. AC wins, you lose.
Any AQ* that we can get, we'll take for sure.

However, up until now, AFAIK, AQD and AQM/AQS were hand-in-hand. If you didn't get one, you don't get the other.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 12:00 pm
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Wow - the thread is moving fast.

Being in Switzerland and having the Branded fares in Swiss/LH for a few years - I have a few comments and a question.

1.) Will AC also disallow the free bags for *G and Altitude? On LX/LH that is the case for sure. They need to clarify this.
2.) At my work, now that they know what branded fares are - they never require the "Light" fares on LX/LH (which is really basic). It's so restrictive, risky, no seat selection, perhaps may not even get a seat due to overbooking or other issues. So - when you look at the price difference - we are always allowed to book "Classic". Here the "Classic" also gets seat selection so for your $25 you get points, seat selection, and bags.
3.) You really have to be cheap and budget tight to book this fare - I would expect most companies will figure out what it means and won't require it.

AC is taking yield-management to the next level and doing a good job at it. For some of us that will be unfortunate!!
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Old Feb 20, 18, 12:01 pm
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This is awesome.
Looking forward to the lower fares this will surely bring
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Old Feb 20, 18, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Yul_voyager View Post
No upgrade at all as well
Details are here
https://www.aircanada.com/us/en/aco/...omy-basic.html
Either a typo or an inconsistency in first tier of the chart. Two “basic” economy benefits with different rules.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 1:16 pm
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The fun part is this:
  • Complimentary carry-on baggage
  • A personal 22.6 cm (8.9”) touch-screen TV
  • Hundreds of hours of top-rated entertainment
  • In-seat power for your laptop and a single-pin audio jack for your headset


OMG >>>>>>>BUY ME THESE TICKETS! I'VE GOT A SINGLE PIN AUDIO JACK!!!! FOR MY HEADSET!!!!!!

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I can only imagine the meeting at AC, and the thousand hours they put in to identify this as a selling feature. Really. It should go down in the annals of marketing brilliance.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by InTheAirGuy View Post
The fun part is this:
  • Complimentary carry-on baggage
  • A personal 22.6 cm (8.9”) touch-screen TV
  • Hundreds of hours of top-rated entertainment
  • In-seat power for your laptop and a single-pin audio jack for your headset


OMG >>>>>>>BUY ME THESE TICKETS! I'VE GOT A SINGLE PIN AUDIO JACK!!!! FOR MY HEADSET!!!!!!

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I can only imagine the meeting at AC, and the thousand hours they put in to identify this as a selling feature. Really. It should go down in the annals of marketing brilliance.
They have been copy and pasting the same content since 1989 and editing only what they understand and what has changed.
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Old Feb 20, 18, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by RangerNS View Post
They have been copy and pasting the same content since 1989 and editing only what they understand and what has changed.
I think you are right- but it seems to be working for them
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