Jumper Jack

Putting any kind of mattress down is not an option for me because the tray table is already a design flaw that doesnt allow for sleeping on the side.. Any more padding would just make it even worse.
(A problem that neither American, Air China or SAS have)

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@jasdou
I also cheer @skybluesea for his efforts and choosing an approach that works for him.

And to your point

"Yes, AC lurkers will read what is going on here but the current results demonstrate that this thread has not (yet) led to a resolution. Therefore we can keep venting in this thread because it is free therapy but I would not hold much hope that anything will come of it."

You are correct about the venting and free therapy, something I posted a while back upthread, along with the fact that some people missed the purpose of the thread and perhaps it has grown passed what @canadiancow intended.

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Many at AC are aware of the problem, not just those who lurk here. I don't have an expectation that all 30,000 employees know about it and of those who know, I am sure some don't care as it doesn't affect them. There are cabin crews who claim they've never seen it or had it on their flight and never heard about the problem. They may not fly enough to have had a stay-flat on a flight, but no way can they claim lack of awareness. I'll bet every single 777, 788, and 789 fin has had at least one stay-flat. I'll bet some of those were reported to other SDs and then noted in the logbooks. I know that SDs have not only seen them, but in many cases whereas there used to be one stay-flat every now and then, followed by one seat per flight, there are SDs who have seen multiples per flight and it wasn't only on my flights where 3 seats were splat.

And let's not forget our friends in AC maintenance who board flights prior to departure to fix these seats. Do you think they only keep this info to themselves when often, cabin crew, other pax and other employees are onboard watching the spectacle?

AC directors know about these seats.
AC managers know about these seats.
SDs know about these seats - of not from their inflight experiences, then certainly from this thread and from other sources.
Some FAs know about these seats.
Concierges know about these seats.
I could go on.

And skybluesea is not the only one who has put pen to paper (as it were) and written to AC.
Not everyone is posting publicly on this forum and even those who do, not all are posting what they may be doing on their own.

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24left

First, it's you're exactly right not your


Second, do not use the word "falsehood" in reference to what I wrote.
I know exactly which words I used in my post. I was very careful and clear. I would not accuse AC of continued falsehoods and falsehoods do not come into play here.

As some of us have previously posted, we are disappointed or annoyed that AC chose not to communicate directly with its best customers, the process it plans to take to repair or replace the seats. Further, for those cabin crew who work on the aircraft with these seats, I find it hard to believe that they are unaware of the problem, even if they have not witnessed it on a flight. If crew insist they have no knowledge, that is their right to say so even if I feel otherwise.


As for the rest of your post, I will say this and with all due respect:

IMO, your comments about Fake advertising are not relevant to our discussion, even if they are relevant to the written arguments to AC that you and others may have.

Do not confuse online forums and discussion of this topic and others on AC FT, with those who may need to seek mental health counselling. We've used the words suggesting FT is often a nice place for some venting which can be therapeutic, and you know very well this is not in the medical realm. So don't even go there.

Finally, you should also know that in business and in life, every person employs their own strategies to move forward on issues, to resolve issues and to make change or force change. Some people are more successful than others. Some strategies are more successful than others.

I think those who chose to buy their inflatable mattress pads and go #AirCanadaCamping did a great job in solving a problem many of us are having. The posts are informative, interesting, helpful and also entertaining. Others may employ a different approach.

But I would really suggest that you proceed on the path you have chosen with all the information you have gathered. If you'd like to share your results, be they positive or negative, that would be great.

In the meantime, please take a moment and go back and re-read my post above. Because I think you did not interpret it in the way I intended. And I only speak for myself.

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24left

Well, then at that point, it will time for me to provide TC and AC with the list of:
backpacks
purses
kids' toys
clothes
neck pillows in multiples
shoes
laptop cases
pillows from home belonging to teenage girls
dogs on leashes because people who need emotional support can't stay home and spare the rest of us
and the bonus: crew bags and cases which on a recent flight, were in the aisle near the mid galley and a couple of people tripped over them while going to the galley or lavs.

Like at least a few others, I see where you are going with the concept of #AirCanadaCamping gear being a potential issue during an evacuation.

I'm not convinced but I am more afraid of all the other crap I listed above, which usually populated Y and PE.

canolakid

The photo upthread on putting the sleeping pad under the AC-provided mattress pad is the fix for me. Makes the experience more #AC Glamping less #AC camping TBH.

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24left

The inflatables are less rigid than almost everything on my list posted above.

visitor

It is easy to politely disagree, I have yet to see someone politely disparage

1) wait until cruising altitude to inflate sleeping pad
2) restrain sleeping pad (weighing say 200g) using Air Canada issued mattress cover. Jam end into footwell. The most violent turbulence will not dislodge.
3) deflate and stow before descent

Above makes a sleeping pad as safe as anything else carried and used by a passenger.

I believe above is a reasonable interpretation and application of the rules and regulations. Whether that happens is a totally different story. I have seen blind application of the most restrictive interpretation, beyond all logic and judgement, to the absolute other end of the spectrum...

The bending stiffness of an inflatable sleeping pad comes nowhere near "rigid"

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