How will mileage accumulation and status be calculated after 2020?
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For example, those spending 4007.00 YYZ/SYD fares r/t get approximately 19320 Q miles and 2 segments. Those spending 1000.00 YSB/YYZ get 2 segments and 500 q miles. Just for fun, YYZ/TPE in P class 4000.00 spend get 24,120 Q miles when COS bonus is added and 4 segments.
There is no method to get lifetime SE based on segments. (IMHO there should be) Mileage wins in current set up.
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Yes, a handful of OPM flyers better off, hundreds of thousands others worse off.
When Alaska did a study, they found only 5% of their pax would earn more miles under a revenue system.
AC must be salivating at the thought of going revenue in 2020, and screwing over 95% of their flyers.
When Alaska did a study, they found only 5% of their pax would earn more miles under a revenue system.
AC must be salivating at the thought of going revenue in 2020, and screwing over 95% of their flyers.
If (big if) your aim is to keep the most frequent fliers loyal to your brand, and (again big if) your loyalty programme is one of the important elements of that, and (huge if) the mile-earning benefits are what make that programme attractive (I'd hypothesise for many most frequent fliers it may be the "elite" benefits other than miles/points like priority boarding, lounge access, concierge), then you should maximise it for those small % of fliers. But if any of those things is untrue (and I'd argue at least one is untrue for Air Canada), then you have a different maximising equation.
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Which may or may not be in violation of existing provincial laws, and wouldn't take much more than a single session of federal Parliament to resolve.
The divorce will need to be handled very generouly for there not to be massive backlash. AC can only go poking a festering wound otherwise ignored by politicians for so long.
The divorce will need to be handled very generouly for there not to be massive backlash. AC can only go poking a festering wound otherwise ignored by politicians for so long.
Not directing this at you RangerNS, but the collective cognitive dissonance here is nuts:
- Collective "wisdom": there is no competition and we have to fly AC
- If AC devalues all those miles, FFers will leave. To where?
or
- Evidence: AC has done nothing to improve the program in decades
- Hope: AC will make it all better when they take it in house and create a *massive* financial liability out of the goodness of their hearts.
Is anybody seriously suggesting that AC will assume tens of millions of dollars in liability (the value of all those miles they are going to create just for good will) just because FFers are suddenly so valuable to them? Because they have been willing to improve things by even a tiny fraction of that in the past?
None of us has a crystal ball. But in the absence of one, past behaviour is likely the best indicator of future behaviour. In which case we are all f'ed.
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Guys like me at regional airports would support this as well. My spend is generally higher than Rapidair flights. The programs are skewed towards long haul mileage accrual. Those of us that spend significant dollars and get minimal miles towards top tier status feel hard done by.
For example, those spending 4007.00 YYZ/SYD fares r/t get approximately 19320 Q miles and 2 segments. Those spending 1000.00 YSB/YYZ get 2 segments and 500 q miles. Just for fun, YYZ/TPE in P class 4000.00 spend get 24,120 Q miles when COS bonus is added and 4 segments.
There is no method to get lifetime SE based on segments. (IMHO there should be) Mileage wins in current set up.
For example, those spending 4007.00 YYZ/SYD fares r/t get approximately 19320 Q miles and 2 segments. Those spending 1000.00 YSB/YYZ get 2 segments and 500 q miles. Just for fun, YYZ/TPE in P class 4000.00 spend get 24,120 Q miles when COS bonus is added and 4 segments.
There is no method to get lifetime SE based on segments. (IMHO there should be) Mileage wins in current set up.
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I'm not expecting AC, AP, Airmiles, PC points or whatever to change.
I am saying the next punch to the face will be legal. And will trigger all but a Royal Inquiry.
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And in the last decade Nova Scotia has at least imposed laws restricting gift card expiry, and while allows gift certificates to expire, they expire into sticker price. (E.g. your $24.99 prim rib gift will, in 4 years, be worth $24.99, not the fancy dinner).
I'm not expecting AC, AP, Airmiles, PC points or whatever to change.
I am saying the next punch to the face will be legal. And will trigger all but a Royal Inquiry.
I'm not expecting AC, AP, Airmiles, PC points or whatever to change.
I am saying the next punch to the face will be legal. And will trigger all but a Royal Inquiry.
AC no doubt thinks they are clean. As do AC's lawyers. Not saying they are, and I am certainly in no position legally to offer an opinion. But it strikes me as a massive stretch to say that because gift cards can't expire in NS, AC must provide you with a like amount of AE miles as of July 1, 2020. Beyond massive. Intergalactic. So they won't. And while you are suing AE will go bankrupt (because it is unlikely they have a sustainable business without AC). And a lawsuit will take years. And if all you have to offer is a gift card precedent, I for one don't like your odds.
This is one of the biggest acts of corporate douche-baggery that I can think of in recent years. That doesn't make it illegal. Immoral != Illegal. They will get away with it. IMO.
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Things change in life, get over it.
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I'm going to hope this does it: if your attitude is indicative of the general attitude of AC FFers, AC has nothing to worry about. In fact, they should just cancel their FF program, because it well and truly is of no marginal value.
For those that have an ability to reason and apply logic, I wonder what will happen to miles earned on June 29th, 2020? You are going to burn them on a flight on the 30th? Oh wait... they won't post until 5 days later. Too bad. Now take that principle and work backwards. How about June 1st? What about January 1st? What about those people who have an illness in the family or an important project at work that limits their ability to redeem points? F 'em, right? Get over it.
So, for those that think I am overstating the magnitude of the baggery, name one other company whose customers spend tens of thousands of dollars a year who has stated they will take the residual value of their loyalty program and make it zero. Not less. Not a bunch less because reward redemptions are getting harder or more expensive. Zero.
Name. Just. One.
(That isn't bankrupt, morally or financially.)
As a matter of principle it is utterly irrelevant whether somebody has 1,000,000 AE miles or 100 on July 1st, 2020. AC thinks you are both equally valuable. And totally worthless.
So, Mr. Smith, please refrain from telling me what I should "get over" and what I shouldn't. I suspect I was never "under it" in the sense you imply in the first place. That doesn't mean that I am not crystal clear on the implications of AC's actions, and willing to call AC out on their thievery. The fact they had the temerity to announce they were going to rob us blind on July 1st, 2020, does not change the fact that we are, in fact, going to be robbed.
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Am I missing an announcement? All that I am aware of is that A.C. has announced they are starting their own program. They haven't really announced what their plan is for AE points earned up until then. Shouldn't you save the name calling and accusations until that announcement is made?