Air Canada moving to Amadeus; Communication issues with AP/AC post-migration result
#1561
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: YYC
Posts: 23,803
There are worse times, and talking to people at other airlines they all were surprised that AC rolled it out when they did. Heaviest travel time and the worst weather window of the year. Ideally you'd shoot for late Feb or early March when you have more fleet flexibility and the summer holiday bookings haven't really cranked up yet.
Is this a systems problem or a data conversion problem?
When these types of changes go off the rails the most likely suspect is that the existing bookings did not convert over well. The original booking may look OK in the new system but when you try to make a change (change a seat, checkin, upgrade, add baggage, etc) then it doesn't work. A big tell would if you're having trouble with your PNR and the fix is for AC to rebook it in the new system.
When these types of changes go off the rails the most likely suspect is that the existing bookings did not convert over well. The original booking may look OK in the new system but when you try to make a change (change a seat, checkin, upgrade, add baggage, etc) then it doesn't work. A big tell would if you're having trouble with your PNR and the fix is for AC to rebook it in the new system.
#1562
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Halifax
Programs: AC SE100K, Marriott Lifetime Platinum Elite. NEXUS
Posts: 4,568
Amadeus is in wide use. I expect it a rules, data, and integration problem.
#1563
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: YYJ
Programs: Air Canada 75K, WestJet Platinum, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 119
#1564
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Ideally YOW, but probably not
Programs: AC SE*MM
Posts: 1,826
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air...avel-1.5391181
Transport minister urges Air Canada to resolve system woes ahead of holiday travel
Transport minister urges Air Canada to resolve system woes ahead of holiday travel
#1565
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto, Ont., Canada
Programs: Aeroplan; Marriott Platinum; IHG Platinum; Best Western Diamond
Posts: 2,165
In the last 2 weeks I got 3 email notifications about schedule change for my ae booking (RTW in Jan). The first 2 times there were no actual changes. This time there is an actual change of aircraft in the last leg YWG-YYZ, and seat change. All three times when I go to AC.com to pull up the book, it only showed message about rescheduling and the last legs (SYD-YVR-YWG-YYZ). I can click to see the flights and seat map but no changes allowed. Cannot see any other flight segments.
The message also says "For alternate travel options or to cancel your remaining flights, please contact an Air Canada airport agent at the airport or the call centre. No change fees will apply**." I found a YVR-YYZ direct flight (ae) that I might possibly ask them to change the YVR-YWG-YYZ from, so I tried calling. Got the message that due to system changes and high volume you cannot be placed on hold, and call only if your travel is within 24 hour. So that's why AC is ranked the best airline in NA?!?
The message also says "For alternate travel options or to cancel your remaining flights, please contact an Air Canada airport agent at the airport or the call centre. No change fees will apply**." I found a YVR-YYZ direct flight (ae) that I might possibly ask them to change the YVR-YWG-YYZ from, so I tried calling. Got the message that due to system changes and high volume you cannot be placed on hold, and call only if your travel is within 24 hour. So that's why AC is ranked the best airline in NA?!?
#1566
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: YYJ
Programs: Air Canada 75K, WestJet Platinum, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 119
Thanks.
#1567
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: UA Silver
Posts: 102
I received an email from AC telling me my YYC-SFO flight was moved 6 hours earlier, which is impossible for me to make.
When I try to change to booking online, it tells me I need to call. When I call the call center, the message tells me they are not accepting calls.
Is there anything I can do? I am afraid that reasonably priced alternatives will be gone by the time I can contact AC.
When I try to change to booking online, it tells me I need to call. When I call the call center, the message tells me they are not accepting calls.
Is there anything I can do? I am afraid that reasonably priced alternatives will be gone by the time I can contact AC.
#1568
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 96
[QUOTE=Bartolo;31826918]
i was able to change seats after I read this on the 10th. Tried again today and it's error again. luckily i made some initial changes back on the 10th
No, but you've forever jinxed the rest of us
The sucess extended to me.
Data point: Booked an AE tx last week. Seat assignment was automatic and silly. Could not change it despite my best efforts. Not able to tolerate being on hold (if I even got there) for 1+ hrs. Tried just now to change seats online. Thankfully what I wanted was still available. Got it done with confirming email.
My wish for everyone else 🤞🤞🤞🤞
The sucess extended to me.
Data point: Booked an AE tx last week. Seat assignment was automatic and silly. Could not change it despite my best efforts. Not able to tolerate being on hold (if I even got there) for 1+ hrs. Tried just now to change seats online. Thankfully what I wanted was still available. Got it done with confirming email.
My wish for everyone else 🤞🤞🤞🤞
#1569
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto, Ont., Canada
Programs: Aeroplan; Marriott Platinum; IHG Platinum; Best Western Diamond
Posts: 2,165
When I try to change to booking online, it tells me I need to call. When I call the call center, the message tells me they are not accepting calls.
Is there anything I can do? I am afraid that reasonably priced alternatives will be gone by the time I can contact AC.
Is there anything I can do? I am afraid that reasonably priced alternatives will be gone by the time I can contact AC.
I'm traveling on Jan. 1 evening. Maybe if I call on morning of Jan. 1, most others will still be hungover, and I might be able to get through. Wait, the call centre will probably also be hungover, with skeleton staff.
#1570
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: AC E35K, NEXUS
Posts: 4,368
I received an email from AC telling me my YYC-SFO flight was moved 6 hours earlier, which is impossible for me to make.
When I try to change to booking online, it tells me I need to call. When I call the call center, the message tells me they are not accepting calls.
Is there anything I can do? I am afraid that reasonably priced alternatives will be gone by the time I can contact AC.
When I try to change to booking online, it tells me I need to call. When I call the call center, the message tells me they are not accepting calls.
Is there anything I can do? I am afraid that reasonably priced alternatives will be gone by the time I can contact AC.
#1571
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Halifax
Programs: AC SE100K, Marriott Lifetime Platinum Elite. NEXUS
Posts: 4,568
There may be some ancillary usage of some minor Sabre component, but RES III is an in-house (or IBM GS), built, one-off, system.
#1572
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,511
Absolute horrid experience yesterday finally getting through to customer service!! I will try and make this short if I can.....have a booking for February - wasn't paying close attention to all the issues but now my 60 day window was near about 4 days ago before the change/cancel fees doubled. Log into my account and cannot make any changes to my itinerary as it's locked for whatever reason ( I found out one of the flights was changed by 10 minutes so this new system cannot apparently handle that change! ). Tells me to call customer service - I literally try for 3 days and cannot get through. I was on the lines everyday in the morning, driving to work etc., Was on hold each time over an hour and twice my call got dropped. Yesterday evening finally got through after 114 minutes! I will be honest, inside I was fuming because this is an absolute joke! To really kick a guy, recording is telling me to log into the website to make any changes!! $#@ I was polite and told her the situation - THEY gave me no choice as I couldn't do anything with my booking. She literally says yup, oooohhh you just passed the limit and now it will cost you $400.00. So, still holding my cool I ask is there ANY customer service gesture you can do. I have made every attempt with this...…...NOPE unfortunately if we credit this we have NO control. Sorry about that - maybe you can send an email. I said yeah, Thanks I will surely do that and look forward to maybe a response or the token 5% off. $#@ Seriously. It was one of the worst customer service experiences I think I have ever had - I know it sounds like exaggeration but I think I am literally serious. I couldn't do anything and there was absolutely no care whatsoever. SOL pretty much.
#1573
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
Programs: AC SE100K, F9 100k, NK Gold, UA *S, Hyatt Glob, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 5,193
-filling in the airanada.com refund request form generates a case #
-driving to any airport with an aircanada ticket agent
-sending a message on twitter
-sending correspondence via canadian post / DHL Fedex overnight delivery
You could still do so to try and reclaim the $ -- but more of an uphill battle if all you have are cell phone call logs. Remind AC that the system migration caused all this, and is even a warning on their homepage in the same (just as serious) slot as an issue for emergency situations and weather emergencies would be.
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#1574
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Durham, NC (RDU/GSO/CLT)
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My fiancé and I are ticketed RDU-YYZ-YUL-YQB tomorrow. RDU-YYZ cancelled due to crew issues. We’re now auto rebooked 12 hours later thus ruining our entire first day of a weekend trip. I’ve been on hold 85 minutes and counting now trying to get something better for tomorrow. My first set of options has already disappeared.