Dec 2, 2017, 8:59 pm
Last edit by: canadiancow
As per AC Signature Suite page - July 2, 2021
* Air Canada Signature Class customers travelling on an Air Canada-operated flight (to Europe, Asia and South America) originally booked and ticketed in the following booking classes will be eligible for access to the Air Canada Signature Suite: J, C, D, Z, P. Only Aeroplan flight rewards booked as a Business Class Flexible Reward or a First Class Flexible Reward in J, C, D, Z, P, I booking classes are eligible for access. All bookings in R class (including, but not limited to, eUpgrades, Last-Minute Upgrades, and AC Bid Upgrades), Aeroplan flight rewards booked as a Business Class Lowest Reward or a First Class Lowest Reward, Star Alliance Upgrade Awards, Business Class flight rewards booked and ticketed by partner airlines, and I (including Star Alliance Upgrade Awards), as well as bookings made during irregular operations where the customer was not originally booked and confirmed in one of the eligible booking classes, will be excluded. Eligible customers may not invite guests. Access to the Air Canada Signature Suite is not available to customers travelling on promotional tickets or employees.
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/premium-services/signature-suite.html
canadiancow's photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/0nui9iIVxRH5nczi1
Video of Signature Suite along with menus and food shots. https://youtu.be/QDdKM735n3k
* Air Canada Signature Class customers travelling on an Air Canada-operated flight (to Europe, Asia and South America) originally booked and ticketed in the following booking classes will be eligible for access to the Air Canada Signature Suite: J, C, D, Z, P. Only Aeroplan flight rewards booked as a Business Class Flexible Reward or a First Class Flexible Reward in J, C, D, Z, P, I booking classes are eligible for access. All bookings in R class (including, but not limited to, eUpgrades, Last-Minute Upgrades, and AC Bid Upgrades), Aeroplan flight rewards booked as a Business Class Lowest Reward or a First Class Lowest Reward, Star Alliance Upgrade Awards, Business Class flight rewards booked and ticketed by partner airlines, and I (including Star Alliance Upgrade Awards), as well as bookings made during irregular operations where the customer was not originally booked and confirmed in one of the eligible booking classes, will be excluded. Eligible customers may not invite guests. Access to the Air Canada Signature Suite is not available to customers travelling on promotional tickets or employees.
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/premium-services/signature-suite.html
canadiancow's photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/0nui9iIVxRH5nczi1
Video of Signature Suite along with menus and food shots. https://youtu.be/QDdKM735n3k
New VIP lounge YYZ int'l: Air Canada Signature Suite
Dec 2, 2017, 12:13 am
#511
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: YVR
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I just figured everyone was in the lounge for an hour, two or three before walking to the gate.
How does it matter that it is 15 minutes earlier?
How does it matter that it is 15 minutes earlier?
Dec 2, 2017, 5:34 am
#512
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YEG
Programs: AC Lifetime SE100K, 3MM, SPG Lifetime Plat, Hertz PC, National Executive Elite
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I think the calculations might be a bit flawed, if you are trying to calculate maximum occupancy. A 3 hr delay with trip-7 will have a bigger impact on occupancy than a 15 minute average delay.
if you go with a 15 minute average delay, shouldn't your formula assume each passenger will spend an extra 15 minutes in the lounge (planned time plus delay time)? This answers Dorian's question with regards to affect on occupancy.
When I was in the Polaris Lounge, they were announcing flight boarding and delay.
if you go with a 15 minute average delay, shouldn't your formula assume each passenger will spend an extra 15 minutes in the lounge (planned time plus delay time)? This answers Dorian's question with regards to affect on occupancy.
When I was in the Polaris Lounge, they were announcing flight boarding and delay.
Dec 2, 2017, 7:52 am
#513
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SEMM / HH Diamond
Posts: 3,154
I think the calculations might be a bit flawed, if you are trying to calculate maximum occupancy. A 3 hr delay with trip-7 will have a bigger impact on occupancy than a 15 minute average delay.
if you go with a 15 minute average delay, shouldn't your formula assume each passenger will spend an extra 15 minutes in the lounge (planned time plus delay time)? This answers Dorian's question with regards to affect on occupancy.
When I was in the Polaris Lounge, they were announcing flight boarding and delay.
if you go with a 15 minute average delay, shouldn't your formula assume each passenger will spend an extra 15 minutes in the lounge (planned time plus delay time)? This answers Dorian's question with regards to affect on occupancy.
When I was in the Polaris Lounge, they were announcing flight boarding and delay.
) are the right starting point (stay for 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours) ... and certainly (for the 3 hour view) the right way to consider the worst case scenario.However, I think a more realistic view is that there will always be a range of people in the lounge ... some will arrive early, others won't ... and I think that approach will nicely handle the worries about the delay time, too.
So, I added an extra column (I had to create my own copy of the spreadsheet, because the cow was so controlling with his copy
). This column assumes that ⅓ the guests will stay for 1 hour, ⅓ will stay for 2 hours, and ⅓ will stay for 3 hours. I was curious if that would nicely round out to the 2 hour average, but as these numbers are non-linear, it doesn't ... sometimes it's higher than the 2 hour col, and sometimes its lower. But I think it's a more realistic estimate. 
Dec 2, 2017, 8:24 am
#514
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,358
DUB has 27 J seats (A330) and EZE has 40J (currently 77W)
There are also non-daily flights missing: DXB, CPH.
There are also non-daily flights missing: DXB, CPH.
Last edited by ChrisA330; Dec 2, 2017 at 8:32 am
Dec 2, 2017, 8:52 am
#515
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: YVR
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Dec 2, 2017, 9:03 am
#516
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Programs: AC*SE100K 1MM, Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
Posts: 735
It's pretty sweet in here
Should there be a new thread 'I'm Sitting in the Air Canada Signature Suite'?. In all seriousness, this lounge is pretty fabulous. Apparently it has only been open for 24 hours. With my luck I'm usually travelling the day before something like this opens.
Dec 2, 2017, 9:25 am
#517
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: BGI (ex-YYC, YYZ)
Programs: AC*G-E100K (once again)
Posts: 1,701
No shower tho...
Dec 2, 2017, 9:30 am
#518
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
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True, no showers, but it is set up more like a high end restaurant. The food is very good.
Dec 2, 2017, 9:31 am
#519
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SEMM / HH Diamond
Posts: 3,154
Crowded? Empty?
Dec 2, 2017, 9:34 am
#520
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: NYC
Programs: UA-1K MM, AA-Gold, DL-Silver, AS-MVP
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I also wonder with that analysis, if the lounge would be severely overcrowded if they included other *A carriers to use it, primarily the evening bank with LH, SN, OS. (And maybe LO, TP, TK if AC likes them).
Dec 2, 2017, 9:50 am
#521
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SFO
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I complied the schedule data for July 2018 (as summer schedule often has more flights). I included all the Asia flights as well. Also included new seasonal destination of KEF and SNN as I assume they also are getting access. I also indicated operating day for each flight (Day1 = Monday, Day7 = Sunday).
Code:
Flight,Destination,DepartureTime,Equipment,JSeats,Day1,Day2,Day3,Day4,Day5,Day6,Day7 AC868,LHR,09:10,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC015,HKG,10:00,77L,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC027,PVG,13:00,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC001,HND,13:45,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC061,ICN,13:45,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC031,PEK,14:55,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC872,FRA,16:40,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC084,TLV,16:40,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC846,MUC,17:55,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC878,ZRH,18:20,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC856,LHR,18:35,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC836,MAD,18:45,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC882,CPH,19:25,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC094,EZE,19:30,789,30,X,,X,,X,, AC880,CDG,19:35,77P,28,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC092,SCL,20:20,789,30,,X,X,X,,X,X AC848,LHR,20:40,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC824,AMS,20:45,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC890,FCO,20:45,77P,28,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC894,MXP,20:55,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC046,BOM,21:35,789,30,X,,X,,X,,X AC876,FRA,21:40,77L,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC042,DEL,22:00,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC820,SNN,22:00,7M8,16,,X,,X,X,,X AC056,DXB,23:05,789,30,,X,,X,,X, AC842,DUB,23:10,333,27,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC858,LHR,23:10,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC090,GRU,23:15,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC816,KEF,23:25,7M8,16,X,,X,X,,X,
Dec 2, 2017, 9:54 am
#522
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
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Posts: 735
Dec 2, 2017, 10:26 am
#523
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC SEMM; AA,DL, Hyatt and Starwood. Ex-status:SQ PPS,CSA,Hilton,AA,UA
Posts: 743
[crude assumptions] that's over 400 potential visitors jockeying for space at dinner-time. If they've got capacity to serve 100-150 at peak period, makes complete sense to cut that number down, at least to start, and figure out how many choose to come, when, and how long they linger.
Assuming 75% of seats in business class are revenue and every passenger goes to the lounge. [Great charts, with this and other assumptions, showing it's easy to get to 100-150+ at peak periods with plausible assumptions, but also very likely to be at a lot less most of the time.]
Dec 2, 2017, 11:32 am
#524
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: sqrt(-united states of apologist)
Programs: *$ Green
Posts: 5,403
I complied the schedule data for July 2018 (as summer schedule often has more flights). I included all the Asia flights as well. Also included new seasonal destination of KEF and SNN as I assume they also are getting access. I also indicated operating day for each flight (Day1 = Monday, Day7 = Sunday).
Code:
Flight,Destination,DepartureTime,Equipment,JSeats,Day1,Day2,Day3,Day4,Day5,Day6,Day7 AC868,LHR,09:10,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC015,HKG,10:00,77L,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC027,PVG,13:00,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC001,HND,13:45,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC061,ICN,13:45,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC031,PEK,14:55,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC872,FRA,16:40,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC084,TLV,16:40,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC846,MUC,17:55,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC878,ZRH,18:20,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC856,LHR,18:35,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC836,MAD,18:45,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC882,CPH,19:25,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC094,EZE,19:30,789,30,X,,X,,X,, AC880,CDG,19:35,77P,28,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC092,SCL,20:20,789,30,,X,X,X,,X,X AC848,LHR,20:40,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC824,AMS,20:45,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC890,FCO,20:45,77P,28,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC894,MXP,20:55,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC046,BOM,21:35,789,30,X,,X,,X,,X AC876,FRA,21:40,77L,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC042,DEL,22:00,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC820,SNN,22:00,7M8,16,,X,,X,X,,X AC056,DXB,23:05,789,30,,X,,X,,X, AC842,DUB,23:10,333,27,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC858,LHR,23:10,77W,40,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC090,GRU,23:15,789,30,X,X,X,X,X,X,X AC816,KEF,23:25,7M8,16,X,,X,X,,X,
Dec 2, 2017, 11:40 am
#525
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: YOW
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Keep up the good work on the analysis!! I am sure AC will reward you all with some flights, or upgrade credits or passes to this new fab lounge!
I didnt think I would be through YYZ for a while, but just booked a flight next week to TLV- so will get to check it out! Looking forward to it!
I didnt think I would be through YYZ for a while, but just booked a flight next week to TLV- so will get to check it out! Looking forward to it!