Exclusive: SFO near miss might have triggered ‘greatest aviation disaster in history’
Jul 11, 2017, 9:47 am
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I strongly disagree with this assertion given all the ADS-B trackers feeding data around major airports (for stuff like aircraft disappearing at altitude I agree)
I track movements at YUL and there are 50ish ADS-B antennas coordinating with me at any given point. I assume the same, or better, for SFO.
I would trust the Flightaware data on this one.
I track movements at YUL and there are 50ish ADS-B antennas coordinating with me at any given point. I assume the same, or better, for SFO.
I would trust the Flightaware data on this one.
But I agree that the data for AC759 looks reasonable.
Jul 11, 2017, 9:56 am
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interesting recording of what took place.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...o-airport.html very very disturbing.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...o-airport.html very very disturbing.
Jul 11, 2017, 9:57 am
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Agreed. The one thing though that jumps out at me is the disastrous way AC Corporate Communications handled this reputation-damaging event. All companies this size have, or should have, an Emergency Communications Strategy; I have written them for clients and it appears that AC's "sloughing off" of this issue, like the YHZ "hard landing", illustrates that anything they could do wrong in reputation management, they did do wrong.
Their Corp Comms people need to bring in some consultants to teach them how to write a policy that doesn't automatically minimize the seriousness of every incident.
Their Corp Comms people need to bring in some consultants to teach them how to write a policy that doesn't automatically minimize the seriousness of every incident.
AC is a reactive company. Rarely is it a proactive company.
Jul 11, 2017, 10:01 am
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Could not be articulated better. And the audio recording with the comment from UA1...basically, flew right over me.
Does anyone know if pax on that flight could have been listening to the cockpit in UA1. would be a pretty disconcerting flight to SIN having known you just got smoked by another plane.
Does anyone know if pax on that flight could have been listening to the cockpit in UA1. would be a pretty disconcerting flight to SIN having known you just got smoked by another plane.
Jul 11, 2017, 10:19 am
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I've analyzed flightaware and (especially) flightradar24 data for my own flights and often that data is grossly inaccurate. I've seen, for example, data showing my flight in a descent when I was clearly in a climb. Also seen huge positional inaccuracies.
But I agree that the data for AC759 looks reasonable.
But I agree that the data for AC759 looks reasonable.
Jul 11, 2017, 10:24 am
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Jul 11, 2017, 10:26 am
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Agreed. The one thing though that jumps out at me is the disastrous way AC Corporate Communications handled this reputation-damaging event. All companies this size have, or should have, an Emergency Communications Strategy; I have written them for clients and it appears that AC's "sloughing off" of this issue, like the YHZ "hard landing", illustrates that anything they could do wrong in reputation management, they did do wrong.
Their Corp Comms people need to bring in some consultants to teach them how to write a policy that doesn't automatically minimize the seriousness of every incident.
Their Corp Comms people need to bring in some consultants to teach them how to write a policy that doesn't automatically minimize the seriousness of every incident.
It would add fuel to the fire if AC said something along to the lines of "Our pilots were involved in a potentially disastrous event"
Jul 11, 2017, 10:32 am
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Could not be articulated better. And the audio recording with the comment from UA1...basically, flew right over me.
Does anyone know if pax on that flight could have been listening to the cockpit in UA1. would be a pretty disconcerting flight to SIN having known you just got smoked by another plane.
Does anyone know if pax on that flight could have been listening to the cockpit in UA1. would be a pretty disconcerting flight to SIN having known you just got smoked by another plane.
Jul 11, 2017, 10:33 am
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interesting recording of what took place.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...o-airport.html very very disturbing.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...o-airport.html very very disturbing.
Jul 11, 2017, 10:34 am
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I might have missed it being posted above, but CBC's latest article says "Former pilot offers his take on Air Canada near collision".
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/former-...sion-1.4199285
But then we all know how much CBC loves our national airline.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/former-...sion-1.4199285
But then we all know how much CBC loves our national airline.
Jul 11, 2017, 11:29 am
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One of the primary approaches to 28R doesn't line up with the runway.
Because of the closeness of the parallels, there are a few different types of approaches that don't line up with 28R in the traditional way an ILS does.
This allows increased movements in conditions were visuals wouldn't be allowed.
Because of the closeness of the parallels, there are a few different types of approaches that don't line up with 28R in the traditional way an ILS does.
This allows increased movements in conditions were visuals wouldn't be allowed.
There's often a last minute bank to the left and then to the right to line up with the runway. I suppose that's what happens with many VFR approaches onto 28R.
I'd never considered it before, but I would not be at all surprised to hear that the approach perfectly lines up with the taxiway.
Jul 11, 2017, 11:41 am
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Pilot observed and questioned, tower corrected, another pilot commented, a go around was ordered all in the span of 37 seconds. Only some former UA captain and the perpetually-panic stricken CBC are asking us to "imagine" how "horrific" it could be.
Around the world myriad awful things happened that day. This was not one of them. Air Canada gave this the attention it deserved.
Around the world myriad awful things happened that day. This was not one of them. Air Canada gave this the attention it deserved.
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Jul 11, 2017, 11:46 am
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The LDA PRM 28R approach provides localizer guidance parallel and to the right of 28R. He might have mistakenly set up for that approach but thought he had programmed the ILS approach.