AC Comments on Proposed Transportation Modernization Act (Passenger Bill of Rights)
Jul 16, 2018, 9:01 am
#136
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Agree, the implementation of IDB will NOT be cost free to users and consequently The increase in fares from whatever obligations the government of Canada imposes on airlines means, either just fewer air Travellers who can no longer afford flying which hurts Canada, or consumers pay more which transfers wealth from the middle class to the wealthy who own AC shares - and yes they pay more taxes but unless 100% of this extra wealth is taxed away, overall Canadians are worse off. As well, should travellers put more money into Air Canada, that means don’t have money for their favourite charity, the hospital foundation, or Arts programs along with other matters that their after-tax dollars may be usd for.
And since this legislation now allows up to 49% of AC shares to be sold out of Canada, this increased wealth just flows out of the country. I could go on, but lots of smart folks out there that KNOW better than believing increasing obligations on corporations does not matter to Canada competitiveness, the wealth distribution from economic activity, and just plain common sense.
Jul 16, 2018, 9:11 am
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And how much did airfares NOT go down as much as they should have because of this..still means price elasticity still applies, just at a lower level for a short while.
and Brent crude trading today at well over $70 barrel... won’t be long now before we start hearing excuses that AC needs to jack up their fuel surcharges which they never got rid of fully with falling oil prices.
and Brent crude trading today at well over $70 barrel... won’t be long now before we start hearing excuses that AC needs to jack up their fuel surcharges which they never got rid of fully with falling oil prices.
Jul 16, 2018, 9:45 am
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And how much did airfares NOT go down as much as they should have because of this..still means price elasticity still applies, just at a lower level for a short while.
and Brent crude trading today at well over $70 barrel... won’t be long now before we start hearing excuses that AC needs to jack up their fuel surcharges which they never got rid of fully with falling oil prices.
No airline that prices at what the market can bear will lower prices unless they have excess capacity to fill.
Or else, we must ask ourselves why AC has been booking $1bn + annual profits instead of passing even more of the oil price savings or lower service costs or whatever to customers.
AC knows what customers are willing to pay. What economic rationale can you provide to explain why they would charge less than that? Their stakeholders would get really mad....
Jul 16, 2018, 10:18 am
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Red herring.
No airline that prices at what the market can bear will lower prices unless they have excess capacity to fill.
Or else, we must ask ourselves why AC has been booking $1bn + annual profits instead of passing even more of the oil price savings or lower service costs or whatever to customers.
AC knows what customers are willing to pay. What economic rationale can you provide to explain why they would charge less than that? Their stakeholders would get really mad....
And an economic rationale will NOT suffice otherwise yes prices would drop to marginal cost... as long as the state politically determines the level of competition, which you correctly observe is insufficient to reflect true input costs, well we could go back and forth and never find a resolution...
have a great week....
Jul 16, 2018, 7:19 pm
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Why should this time be any different?
Oct 18, 2018, 11:39 am
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The CTA has conducted their consultation process and have prepared a "What We Heard" report. The details of all written submissions as well as transcripts from the oral submissions can be found here: https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/consultati...on-regulations
There were 61 written public submissions and 43 from industry. There is a lot of good bed time reading, including a couple of submissions from your truly. Happy readings.
There were 61 written public submissions and 43 from industry. There is a lot of good bed time reading, including a couple of submissions from your truly. Happy readings.
Oct 18, 2018, 4:30 pm
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Just flipped through AC's submission. It's hilarious. If you really want to know what AC thinks of your intelligence, have at it.
The sad part is that I expect the final product to look like an AC product, albeit with a TC letterhead. In short, this whole thing strikes me as a colossal waste of time. But kudos to the people who at least tried. Maybe we'll have better luck when these things are written/run by people who actually travel.
The sad part is that I expect the final product to look like an AC product, albeit with a TC letterhead. In short, this whole thing strikes me as a colossal waste of time. But kudos to the people who at least tried. Maybe we'll have better luck when these things are written/run by people who actually travel.
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Oct 18, 2018, 6:39 pm
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kuudos for your contribution to public dialogue- whether I agree or not with your view, so please remember if you get criticized on this forum for your views submitted to the CTA, and those making the criticism didn’t make the effort to influence public policy, well, take heart your effort is applauded, at least from me.
Edit: looks like AC would be happy with 72 hours...
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Dec 17, 2018, 10:48 am
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Air Canada and the new
https://globalnews.ca/news/4769518/a...rights-canada/
Given reports that Air Canada is not entirely friendly with the EU rules, often rejects first-claims, and displays other nefarious activities to avoid claims -- there should be a thread for people to report, ask questions, and suggest strategies for dealing with pushback from Air Canada in an eventual Air Passenger Bill of Rights.
Given reports that Air Canada is not entirely friendly with the EU rules, often rejects first-claims, and displays other nefarious activities to avoid claims -- there should be a thread for people to report, ask questions, and suggest strategies for dealing with pushback from Air Canada in an eventual Air Passenger Bill of Rights.
Dec 17, 2018, 11:03 am
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The transport minister claims the new bill will require airlines to "be more proactive", whatever that means: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pas...neau-1.4948770.
It seems Air Canada will be legislated not only to reimburse as per the new regulations, but to initiate the process itself. That's where the pushback might occur.
It seems Air Canada will be legislated not only to reimburse as per the new regulations, but to initiate the process itself. That's where the pushback might occur.
Dec 17, 2018, 1:27 pm
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Interesting perspective from OMAAT here.
Seems like maintenance will not be covered. Back when I lived in the EU, every airline pushed back on claims as it was due to maintenance. An EU Court of Justice precedent removed that ability for airlines, now they pay without argument or difficulty.
If Canadian airlines can just claim "maintenance" for a delay due, it will be difficult for this proposed legislation to have any teeth.
Seems like maintenance will not be covered. Back when I lived in the EU, every airline pushed back on claims as it was due to maintenance. An EU Court of Justice precedent removed that ability for airlines, now they pay without argument or difficulty.
If Canadian airlines can just claim "maintenance" for a delay due, it will be difficult for this proposed legislation to have any teeth.
Dec 17, 2018, 3:19 pm
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Seems the new rules are useless, according to this blog. https://airpassengerrights.ca/en/adv...iOHvKT-okczyiQ
Dec 17, 2018, 4:54 pm
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Seems the new rules are useless, according to this blog. https://airpassengerrights.ca/en/adv...iOHvKT-okczyiQ
That's the Halifax kid, idn't it? Can't take this too seriously. He has made an industry of going after airlines.