May 11, 2017, 3:09 pm
Last edit by: yyznomad
Such that it is actually searchable text - one of the important changes to the Aeroplan program in 2019 for Super Elites:
New for Air Canada Altitude Super Elite 100K members: Complimentary changes and refunds
Beginning July 15, 2019, Air Canada Super Elite 100K members will no longer be charged a fee when they request a change to their Flight Reward booking. Additionally, these members will also no longer be charged a fee to refund their bookings. These fee waivers will apply to all bookings, including those made prior to the new policy coming into effect.
Read the below screenshots for the rest.
July 15 2019
"AEROPLAN FLIGHT REWARDS: NOW WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY AND PEACE-OF-MIND"
https://www.aeroplan.com/whats_new/news_articles.do?dl=WhatsNew_WEBUP31000285_2019_07 _15¤tLanguage=en
New chart with fees in this post
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31306687-post1334.html
Older news releases from 2017 below
Air Canada "What You Need to Know"
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...d-to-know.html
Air Canada Press Release May 11, 2017
http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1135
Aeroplan News "To Our Valued Members" - May 11, 2017
https://www5.aeroplan.com/whats_new/...New_2017_05_09
Aeroplan & Air Canada update
We'd like to help our members understand the latest news about our partner, Air Canada.
https://www5.aeroplan.com/aircanada-...id=BAN30000311
From Aeroplan - UPDATE May 31, 2017
https://www5.aeroplan.com/aircanada-and-aeroplan-update.do
Aeroplan Saga Ends in a Long, Financial Detour:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle35080509/
August 11 2017
"We're on solid ground so your plans can take flight."
https://www.aeroplan.com/program-updates.do?currentLanguage=en&cid=008692096
"Five things you need to know about your miles"
https://www.aeroplan.com/five-things-about-your-miles.do?currentLanguage=en
September 19, 2017 - Investor Day Presentation
https://www.aeroplan.com/five-things-about-your-miles.do?currentLanguage=en
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New for Air Canada Altitude Super Elite 100K members: Complimentary changes and refunds
Beginning July 15, 2019, Air Canada Super Elite 100K members will no longer be charged a fee when they request a change to their Flight Reward booking. Additionally, these members will also no longer be charged a fee to refund their bookings. These fee waivers will apply to all bookings, including those made prior to the new policy coming into effect.
Read the below screenshots for the rest.
July 15 2019
"AEROPLAN FLIGHT REWARDS: NOW WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY AND PEACE-OF-MIND"
https://www.aeroplan.com/whats_new/news_articles.do?dl=WhatsNew_WEBUP31000285_2019_07 _15¤tLanguage=en
New chart with fees in this post
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31306687-post1334.html
Older news releases from 2017 below
Air Canada "What You Need to Know"
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...d-to-know.html
Air Canada Press Release May 11, 2017
http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1135
Aeroplan News "To Our Valued Members" - May 11, 2017
https://www5.aeroplan.com/whats_new/...New_2017_05_09
Aeroplan & Air Canada update
We'd like to help our members understand the latest news about our partner, Air Canada.
https://www5.aeroplan.com/aircanada-...id=BAN30000311
From Aeroplan - UPDATE May 31, 2017
https://www5.aeroplan.com/aircanada-and-aeroplan-update.do
Aeroplan Saga Ends in a Long, Financial Detour:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle35080509/
August 11 2017
"We're on solid ground so your plans can take flight."
https://www.aeroplan.com/program-updates.do?currentLanguage=en&cid=008692096
"Five things you need to know about your miles"
https://www.aeroplan.com/five-things-about-your-miles.do?currentLanguage=en
September 19, 2017 - Investor Day Presentation
https://www.aeroplan.com/five-things-about-your-miles.do?currentLanguage=en
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Air Canada to Launch Its Own Loyalty Program in 2020
May 11, 2017, 8:47 am
#91
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Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE*2MM. SPG Plat life
Posts: 4,644
Who said they can't be used on *A? I'm guessing there would be way to many legal problems for AC if the changed the rules on Aeroplan redemption. The problem I see, is Aeroplan will go bankrupt before the change over date.
May 11, 2017, 8:48 am
#92
Join Date: Oct 2015
Programs: AC SE 100K, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 142
Does anyone really think this is going to be good for AC loyalists? Given AC's history they are going to follow DL/UA/AA patterns AKA revenue based earning and cash/market fare awards.
May 11, 2017, 8:48 am
#93
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Halifax
Programs: AC SE100K, Marriott Lifetime Platinum Elite. NEXUS
Posts: 4,567
Once the market has the "same" information as the insiders, the insiders can do anything. (Exactly what is the same information is a question for a jury)
May 11, 2017, 8:50 am
#94
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Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE*2MM. SPG Plat life
Posts: 4,644
Even assuming Aimia stays in business, I'd be worried about this statement in the press release: "Air Canada intends to continue to offer Aimia redemption seats for Aeroplan members after June 2020, with pricing competitive with other third-party rewards programs."
It sounds to me like an opening to further devalue one's points.
It sounds to me like an opening to further devalue one's points.
May 11, 2017, 8:53 am
#95
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Delta, BC
Posts: 1,646
According to an explainer on the Air Canada website, Air Canada "expects to continue making Air Canada flights available for Aeroplan redemption." After Air Canada's new loyalty program launches, however, Aeroplan points will not be eligible for rewards with Air Canada's Star Alliance partner airlines, which include United Airlines, Air China, Lufthansa, and others."
Apparently, AC does not see it as a problem, legal or otherwise.
May 11, 2017, 9:00 am
#96
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan
Posts: 1,748
Air Canada expects the net present value of the program repatriation over a 15-year period to exceed $2 billion.
May 11, 2017, 9:00 am
#97
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 174
Originally Posted by robsaw, CBC article
....however, Aeroplan points will not be eligible for rewards with Air Canada's Star Alliance partner airlines, which include United Airlines, Air China, Lufthansa, and others.".
May 11, 2017, 9:01 am
#98
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: YYC
Posts: 495
From the CBC Article:
According to an explainer on the Air Canada website, Air Canada "expects to continue making Air Canada flights available for Aeroplan redemption." After Air Canada's new loyalty program launches, however, Aeroplan points will not be eligible for rewards with Air Canada's Star Alliance partner airlines, which include United Airlines, Air China, Lufthansa, and others."
Apparently, AC does not see it as a problem, legal or otherwise.
According to an explainer on the Air Canada website, Air Canada "expects to continue making Air Canada flights available for Aeroplan redemption." After Air Canada's new loyalty program launches, however, Aeroplan points will not be eligible for rewards with Air Canada's Star Alliance partner airlines, which include United Airlines, Air China, Lufthansa, and others."
Apparently, AC does not see it as a problem, legal or otherwise.
May 11, 2017, 9:03 am
#100
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Delta, BC
Posts: 1,646
On points transfer, from the FAQ:
Q: Will I be able to transfer my Aeroplan Miles into the new Air Canada program?
A: No. Aeroplan Miles earned up to June 2020 stay in the Aeroplan program and may be redeemed for Aeroplan Rewards. That said, Air Canada expects to continue making Air Canada flights available for Aeroplan redemption. Star Alliance partner rewards will only be available through the new Air Canada program.
My issue is that there is simply no way that I won't end up stranding 1m+ points. I have 1.5m now, even if I burn all those in the next 2-3 years, I will earn another 1-2m in the next 3 years. Assuming flying patters remain the same, any SE is going to strand at least 3 or 4 hundred thousands points (the amount they will earn in 2019). Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not to mention that without AC I would imagine AE has a moderate chance of flat out going bankrupt, rendering all points worthless.
Either AC really truly doesn't care at all about how this impacts AE/AC/Altitude members, it is a ploy to drive AE into a market value of $1 so they can be bought cheaply, or they just didn't think this through...
Q: Will I be able to transfer my Aeroplan Miles into the new Air Canada program?
A: No. Aeroplan Miles earned up to June 2020 stay in the Aeroplan program and may be redeemed for Aeroplan Rewards. That said, Air Canada expects to continue making Air Canada flights available for Aeroplan redemption. Star Alliance partner rewards will only be available through the new Air Canada program.
My issue is that there is simply no way that I won't end up stranding 1m+ points. I have 1.5m now, even if I burn all those in the next 2-3 years, I will earn another 1-2m in the next 3 years. Assuming flying patters remain the same, any SE is going to strand at least 3 or 4 hundred thousands points (the amount they will earn in 2019). Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not to mention that without AC I would imagine AE has a moderate chance of flat out going bankrupt, rendering all points worthless.
Either AC really truly doesn't care at all about how this impacts AE/AC/Altitude members, it is a ploy to drive AE into a market value of $1 so they can be bought cheaply, or they just didn't think this through...
May 11, 2017, 9:18 am
#102
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: YWG
Programs: Aeroplan, MileagePlus, Marriott Rewards
Posts: 2,159
May 11, 2017, 9:19 am
#103
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: YOW
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 968
Just checked our account balances. They creeped up so between us we have 294,300.
Our next flight was J to PER in 8 months. Dates are a bit flexible (+/- 4 days on the way there, +7 days on the way back.) For us, Qantas was the winner. Just checked for AP reward, round trip to Sydney since I'm OK with Y on Qantas from SYD-PER. At first it looked like we could to it for all our points (plus surcharges and the transfer fee from one account to another) but then I realized that was J to Toronto and PE to Sydney. No, I'll spend 4X as much and happily get J and my exact dates.
Finally found the switch to turn off mixed cabin and there's nothing. Which is what I expected.
We're going to have a hard time emptying the accounts in 3 years.
Edited to add:
No problem using up the points! I just discovered I can get 3 nights at a Best Western in Quebec city for 128,500 points!
Yup, Aimia is eff-ed
Our next flight was J to PER in 8 months. Dates are a bit flexible (+/- 4 days on the way there, +7 days on the way back.) For us, Qantas was the winner. Just checked for AP reward, round trip to Sydney since I'm OK with Y on Qantas from SYD-PER. At first it looked like we could to it for all our points (plus surcharges and the transfer fee from one account to another) but then I realized that was J to Toronto and PE to Sydney. No, I'll spend 4X as much and happily get J and my exact dates.
Finally found the switch to turn off mixed cabin and there's nothing. Which is what I expected.
We're going to have a hard time emptying the accounts in 3 years.
Edited to add:
No problem using up the points! I just discovered I can get 3 nights at a Best Western in Quebec city for 128,500 points!
Yup, Aimia is eff-ed
Last edited by KathrynInCanada; May 11, 2017 at 9:29 am
May 11, 2017, 9:19 am
#104
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC e75K, *G, SPG/MR PPE
Posts: 315
I literally just emptied out my Aeroplan account two days ago for a trip to Bali. I'm down to 18 Aeroplan miles, for the first time since joining the program. I've switched to an "earn and churn" kind of mentality over the past few years, and this makes me really glad I'm not sitting on millions of miles.
I'll be interested to see what happens... I was about to switch back to an Aeroplan card for personal purchases, but I'll need to re-visit my options.
I'll be interested to see what happens... I was about to switch back to an Aeroplan card for personal purchases, but I'll need to re-visit my options.
May 11, 2017, 9:20 am
#105
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Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, NH, DL, AA, BA, Global Entry/Nexus, APEC..
Posts: 18,877
And just a sampling of the media headlines.....you know, for those who like bright colours in the morning, in order:
Bloomberg
Financial Post
Global
CBC
CTV
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Bloomberg
Financial Post
Global
CBC
CTV
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