Earn Your Wings (EYW) ecological consequences
Apr 30, 2017, 11:51 pm
#2
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had 11 hours today on HKG-YVR, so drafted letter to AC and dropped in the mail this evening criticizing AC for EYW as mockery of corporate social responsibility commitments.
Not sure will make a difference, but having spend a month in Africa this year, dealing with major social and economic challenges, in part driven by climate change, wasteful travel just hurts people and the planet.
Not sure will make a difference, but having spend a month in Africa this year, dealing with major social and economic challenges, in part driven by climate change, wasteful travel just hurts people and the planet.
May 1, 2017, 8:02 am
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Sorry, but can't follow your argument. But if you're talking about mileage runs, thank you for raising that problem too, which may very well be inconsistent with the AC common carrier license for transportation from A to B.
Although, for MR, no complaint against AirCanada as they can't control this - fully on those travellers who are prepared to burn petroleum unnecessarily for a benefit that can generally be purchased through regular means e.g paying full J that attracts 150% AQM and quickly lead to sufficient AQD.
But ultimately we have with MR and EYW, travellers who are willing to put their own remarkably narrow interest ahead of societal interests - but this will change too, as Canada has adopted CORSIA, which will eventually lead to higher airline costs to deal with rapidly growing and disproportionate environmental impacts.
Although, for MR, no complaint against AirCanada as they can't control this - fully on those travellers who are prepared to burn petroleum unnecessarily for a benefit that can generally be purchased through regular means e.g paying full J that attracts 150% AQM and quickly lead to sufficient AQD.
But ultimately we have with MR and EYW, travellers who are willing to put their own remarkably narrow interest ahead of societal interests - but this will change too, as Canada has adopted CORSIA, which will eventually lead to higher airline costs to deal with rapidly growing and disproportionate environmental impacts.
genuinely curious.
May 5, 2017, 12:08 am
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May 5, 2017, 3:14 am
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Dear AC, please add a Go-Around badge awarded anytime a flight has to hold on approach or departure.
AC isn't adding any more flights for EYW. In 100 flights last year guess how many were overbooked? yep, zero.
May 5, 2017, 8:59 am
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Got something of value to add?
Do you believe that a person who spends time and effort in communicating something with which you disagree is a "waste"? I disagree with the relevance of the comments above, which have entered the realm of the ridiculous instead of presenting a worthwhile rebuttal. Therefore might I suggest you have wasted yours and my time in advancing them?
This is true, but is undermined by the argument that one letter wasted Canada Post truck emissions, seeing as the vehicle was delivering mail anyway. Seats occupied by EYW contestants flying for the sale of a game leads to increased demand on routes, resulting in the possibility of added frequencies or the use of larger aircraft, both of which do add significant new amounts of pollution. I doubt of course that EYW contests by themselves will be responsible for an additional route frequency, but they do contribute - which is the point of the letter if I interpret it correctly.
Member skybluesea shares a valid, if predictably unpopular, viewpoint which deserves respect and consideration. I personally think he/she raises a great point. You don't have to like it, but try your best not to demean it.
Originally Posted by CanRulez
Waste of printer ink, stamp, and gas emissions from the Canada Post truck that was used to deliver his piece of mail.
Originally Posted by expert7700
Not to mention the scanner, computer, and electricity used in producing the letter and posting on FT.
Originally Posted by expert7700
AC isn't adding any more flights for EYW.
Member skybluesea shares a valid, if predictably unpopular, viewpoint which deserves respect and consideration. I personally think he/she raises a great point. You don't have to like it, but try your best not to demean it.
May 5, 2017, 9:09 am
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Got something of value to add?
Do you believe that a person who spends time and effort in communicating something with which you disagree is a "waste"? I disagree with the relevance of the comments above, which have entered the realm of the ridiculous instead of presenting a worthwhile rebuttal. Therefore might I suggest you have wasted yours and my time in advancing them?
This is true, but is undermined by the argument that one letter wasted Canada Post truck emissions, seeing as the vehicle was delivering mail anyway. Seats occupied by EYW contestants flying for the sale of a game leads to increased demand on routes, resulting in the possibility of added frequencies or the use of larger aircraft, both of which do add significant new amounts of pollution. I doubt of course that EYW contests by themselves will be responsible for an additional route frequency, but they do contribute - which is the point of the letter if I interpret it correctly.
Member skybluesea shares a valid, if predictably unpopular, viewpoint which deserves respect and consideration. I personally think he/she raises a great point. You don't have to like it, but try your best not to demean it.
Do you believe that a person who spends time and effort in communicating something with which you disagree is a "waste"? I disagree with the relevance of the comments above, which have entered the realm of the ridiculous instead of presenting a worthwhile rebuttal. Therefore might I suggest you have wasted yours and my time in advancing them?
This is true, but is undermined by the argument that one letter wasted Canada Post truck emissions, seeing as the vehicle was delivering mail anyway. Seats occupied by EYW contestants flying for the sale of a game leads to increased demand on routes, resulting in the possibility of added frequencies or the use of larger aircraft, both of which do add significant new amounts of pollution. I doubt of course that EYW contests by themselves will be responsible for an additional route frequency, but they do contribute - which is the point of the letter if I interpret it correctly.
Member skybluesea shares a valid, if predictably unpopular, viewpoint which deserves respect and consideration. I personally think he/she raises a great point. You don't have to like it, but try your best not to demean it.
May 5, 2017, 9:42 am
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I guess we should also rail against people who do mileage runs, take a connecting flight if there are direct ones (ie. disregard timing and take any airline), and take short-distance flights (YOW-YUL) if a train or bus is also available.
May 5, 2017, 10:18 am
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To @CZAMFlyer:
Emissions etc. are all valid points, but it really comes across like "my travel is justified because it's for reasons important to me, but yours is a waste because your reasons are not important to me".
EYW fills empty seats. None of the people I talked to bought full Y fares to fly. Sure, there was the occasional full flight, but in all my EYW (at least 200 flights), there has been one call for volunteers, when Jazz had a controllable IRROP (crew never showed up), resulting in a flight being cancelled early in the day.
I could write up a few pages of valid arguments about why 99% of business travel is unnecessary, wasteful, and harmful to the environment. But I don't want to join the RCHHMP.
May 5, 2017, 10:34 am
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Or fly to a meeting when there are perfectly good video call applications available, or travel to do physical work when you could outsource to s local contractor, etc.
To @CZAMFlyer:
Emissions etc. are all valid points, but it really comes across like "my travel is justified because it's for reasons important to me, but yours is a waste because your reasons are not important to me".
EYW fills empty seats. None of the people I talked to bought full Y fares to fly. Sure, there was the occasional full flight, but in all my EYW (at least 200 flights), there has been one call for volunteers, when Jazz had a controllable IRROP (crew never showed up), resulting in a flight being cancelled early in the day.
I could write up a few pages of valid arguments about why 99% of business travel is unnecessary, wasteful, and harmful to the environment. But I don't want to join the RCHHMP.
To @CZAMFlyer:
Emissions etc. are all valid points, but it really comes across like "my travel is justified because it's for reasons important to me, but yours is a waste because your reasons are not important to me".
EYW fills empty seats. None of the people I talked to bought full Y fares to fly. Sure, there was the occasional full flight, but in all my EYW (at least 200 flights), there has been one call for volunteers, when Jazz had a controllable IRROP (crew never showed up), resulting in a flight being cancelled early in the day.
I could write up a few pages of valid arguments about why 99% of business travel is unnecessary, wasteful, and harmful to the environment. But I don't want to join the RCHHMP.
Last edited by tcook052; May 5, 2017 at 10:48 am Reason: snark
May 5, 2017, 10:49 am
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Please note that these posts were moved out of the EYW 2017 speculation thread and into their own so as to discuss the different matters in separate places as trying to having one thread serve two purposes winds up benefiting none.
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Last edited by tcook052; May 5, 2017 at 9:53 pm