Earn Your Wings (EYW) ecological consequences
Apr 4, 2020, 1:56 pm
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It's a bit long, I would trim it and use bullet points for some of the citations if you haven't already sent it. Anyway, as someone who's mainly a long-time lurker of this forum, I applaud your efforts. This year I will be carbon offsetting all my personal travel for the first time. Hope my employer follows suit on the business travel.
Apr 4, 2020, 3:37 pm
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Unfortunately, you have already lost your entire argument by making a provably false statement in your very first sentence.
Apr 4, 2020, 4:15 pm
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OP started this thread May 1 2017. It's almost 3 years later and it's a bee in someone's bonnet. No problem with that. But seriously, singling out EYW versus all the flying done for whatever reasons we do it, is not productive. IMHO. Even if AC does not renew the EYW contest, people will still fly. The current world crisis has stopped most flying for now. When it's over, many people will fly again. I suppose at that point, someone will start a thread on AC FT debating which type of flying is acceptable, and which is not because it harms the environment. AC will be happy to have people paying to fly with them again. AC FT will happily accept more "enthusiastic discussions".
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Apr 4, 2020, 10:01 pm
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Apr 4, 2020, 10:11 pm
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Apr 4, 2020, 10:21 pm
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I have more interest in hydroelectricity! But in all seriousness, what is the impact of 100 people at most flying crazy segment runs for EYW? Everyone else is just continuing usual flying patterns!
Apr 4, 2020, 10:23 pm
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It's next to nothing - I did some math upthread to point out what a waste of time it is to complain about this pittance.
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Apr 8, 2020, 12:01 pm
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Never saw this thread before.. and I want to applaud skybluesea... I don't think you'll get anywhere, but I kind of agree. In principal, EYW does seem like waste of resources.
If main stream car companies encouraged wasting tons of gas driving unnecessarily for some in house points program, it would certainly be widely criticized. Airlines seem to have insulated from the main stream these completely frivolous flights.
If main stream car companies encouraged wasting tons of gas driving unnecessarily for some in house points program, it would certainly be widely criticized. Airlines seem to have insulated from the main stream these completely frivolous flights.
Apr 8, 2020, 1:40 pm
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I'm sure the finance minister will be very interested in one corporation's sales incentive that contributes a tiny fraction of a percentage point of its emissions 
That's not all the parallel. EYW is a sales program. How do you feel about Toyota Red Tag Days or Ford's Employee Pricing Event, which are encouraging customers to increase their purchases of new cars? Or about Esso or Shell doing a promo on gasoline sales? Or what about the Gap having a Boxing Day sale? What about when a grocery store offers discounted pricing if you buy at least a certain quantity of an item? Every sales promotion encourages people to consume more of the product, whether that's airline tickets, clothing, pudding, cars, etc.
All of those activities create increased emissions. In AC's case, the emissions associated with a small number of incremental sales on flights that are already running are tiny, and are likely a small fraction of the incremental emissions caused by big airfare sales on Boxing Day, Black Friday, etc. Is it any more frivolous for someone to take a trip because they found a good sale fare on Boxing Day than it is for someone to do some extra flights because of EYW?
It's completely insignificant.
Never saw this thread before.. and I want to applaud skybluesea... I don't think you'll get anywhere, but I kind of agree. In principal, EYW does seem like waste of resources.
If main stream car companies encouraged wasting tons of gas driving unnecessarily for some in house points program, it would certainly be widely criticized. Airlines seem to have insulated from the main stream these completely frivolous flights.
If main stream car companies encouraged wasting tons of gas driving unnecessarily for some in house points program, it would certainly be widely criticized. Airlines seem to have insulated from the main stream these completely frivolous flights.
All of those activities create increased emissions. In AC's case, the emissions associated with a small number of incremental sales on flights that are already running are tiny, and are likely a small fraction of the incremental emissions caused by big airfare sales on Boxing Day, Black Friday, etc. Is it any more frivolous for someone to take a trip because they found a good sale fare on Boxing Day than it is for someone to do some extra flights because of EYW?
It's completely insignificant.
Apr 8, 2020, 10:37 pm
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I'm sure the finance minister will be very interested in one corporation's sales incentive that contributes a tiny fraction of a percentage point of its emissions
That's not all the parallel. EYW is a sales program. How do you feel about Toyota Red Tag Days or Ford's Employee Pricing Event, which are encouraging customers to increase their purchases of new cars? Or about Esso or Shell doing a promo on gasoline sales? Or what about the Gap having a Boxing Day sale? What about when a grocery store offers discounted pricing if you buy at least a certain quantity of an item? Every sales promotion encourages people to consume more of the product, whether that's airline tickets, clothing, pudding, cars, etc.
All of those activities create increased emissions. In AC's case, the emissions associated with a small number of incremental sales on flights that are already running are tiny, and are likely a small fraction of the incremental emissions caused by big airfare sales on Boxing Day, Black Friday, etc. Is it any more frivolous for someone to take a trip because they found a good sale fare on Boxing Day than it is for someone to do some extra flights because of EYW?
It's completely insignificant.
That's not all the parallel. EYW is a sales program. How do you feel about Toyota Red Tag Days or Ford's Employee Pricing Event, which are encouraging customers to increase their purchases of new cars? Or about Esso or Shell doing a promo on gasoline sales? Or what about the Gap having a Boxing Day sale? What about when a grocery store offers discounted pricing if you buy at least a certain quantity of an item? Every sales promotion encourages people to consume more of the product, whether that's airline tickets, clothing, pudding, cars, etc.
All of those activities create increased emissions. In AC's case, the emissions associated with a small number of incremental sales on flights that are already running are tiny, and are likely a small fraction of the incremental emissions caused by big airfare sales on Boxing Day, Black Friday, etc. Is it any more frivolous for someone to take a trip because they found a good sale fare on Boxing Day than it is for someone to do some extra flights because of EYW?
It's completely insignificant.