YYZ-YOW Rapidair - now all E90
Jun 23, 2017, 8:00 am
#46
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Ideally YOW, but probably not
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A few months ago they would have used a 321 on any old Friday to handle the load. Next Friday is going to be stupid. Glad I am flying direct home from YVR that day I guess.
Jun 23, 2017, 7:51 pm
#49
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: YOW
Programs: AC*SEMM, *G, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 897
Jun 24, 2017, 12:04 am
#50
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Join Date: May 1998
Location: Canada
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476 in 3A so we probably saw each other!
I remember the good old days with lots of 767s on this route, hot breakfasts etc. Don't know how they did it. FA said they had the odd 747 as well. Never flew one on that route but that's way over the top for this route now.
I remember the good old days with lots of 767s on this route, hot breakfasts etc. Don't know how they did it. FA said they had the odd 747 as well. Never flew one on that route but that's way over the top for this route now.
Jun 24, 2017, 5:08 am
#51
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Canada
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alternative options for July 1
If this doesn't work,go to the connecting gate in YYZ and ask to be put on the standby list. It clears with amazing regularity.
Enjoy the 150th fireworks!
Jun 24, 2017, 6:08 am
#52
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: YOW
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Posts: 897
These days, with the lower FA/PAX ratio, service is rushed in J regardless of aircraft type on this route...
Jun 24, 2017, 8:59 am
#53
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 43
So clearly the passenger numbers aren't behaving the way you are explaining it. What drives down YOW's numbers isn't domestic, but rather transborder and intl, which are getting trashed the last few years. Transborder is down every month so far this year, and intl every month except April. So the fact that YOW's numbers are in positive territory so far is due entirely to domestic traffic!
Now back to the subject at hand, AC has shifted all their E190 ops out east. With dwindling numbers, it makes sense to consolidate them all to one base.
They have been adding routes to YYZ, YVR and YUL, and they probably need those A320/A321s elsewhere. Trading in capacity for frequency on a busy route like YOW-YYZ isn't such a bad thing.
Last edited by thenoflyzone; Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 am
Jun 24, 2017, 1:08 pm
#54
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K MM, BA-S HH-D, MB-G LT Sil, IHG-Plt, Nexus, Global Entry
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Two suggestions. Call AC now and ask to be accommodated via another gateway e.g. YHZ, YUL. You might even get the non-stop!
If this doesn't work,go to the connecting gate in YYZ and ask to be put on the standby list. It clears with amazing regularity.
Enjoy the 150th fireworks!
If this doesn't work,go to the connecting gate in YYZ and ask to be put on the standby list. It clears with amazing regularity.
Enjoy the 150th fireworks!
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Jun 24, 2017, 1:17 pm
#55
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I am taking the first flight out of LHR in order to get home in the early afternoon, instead of early evening for the direct flight. When I was SE100k, I could politely ask the concierge to watch for my arrival into YYZ and put me on standby for an earlier flight, but I haven't been able to do that for the last few months. I will sprint to the gate and ask for standby. As long as my LHR-YYZ flight is on time, I can make a flight one hour earlier.
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Jun 24, 2017, 1:42 pm
#56
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
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Jun 24, 2017, 5:30 pm
#57
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Ideally YOW, but probably not
Programs: AC SE*MM
Posts: 1,826
The 767 re-positioning on days when they are finishing / re-adding YOW-FRA isn't doing much for anyone. Specifically it isn't when you want it to be; e.g. late afternoon extra capacity on a Tuesday is not very helpful.
If you've been following along or if you fly YOW-YYZ you'd know their implementation is a bad thing. Total capacity is down, and as I've already pointed out repeatedly:
1. The extra frequency is only at certain peak times. When we've got IRROPS or a bunch of misconnects for other reasons outside of those times then these flights do nothing. Specifically, the last 2 flights of the day YYZ to YOW are a train wreck of trying to accommodate misconnects and oversold flights.
2. The extra frequency at peak times only works if the planes are there. When they are getting the extra aircraft from routes like EWR-YYZ that is massively late all the time then the "extra frequency" just contributes to misconnects, rebookings and standby pax which makes the whole problem worse.
TLDR: Switching to the E190 have reduced overall capacity between YOW and YYZ and their ham-fisted attempts to put extra aircraft on during peak periods is hardly helping.
As I've noted if they keep going like this during the winter we're going to see a lot more angry pax in this thread, including me. Having status with AC helps but when I walk up to the gate and there are already 10 people on the standby list...
1. The extra frequency is only at certain peak times. When we've got IRROPS or a bunch of misconnects for other reasons outside of those times then these flights do nothing. Specifically, the last 2 flights of the day YYZ to YOW are a train wreck of trying to accommodate misconnects and oversold flights.
2. The extra frequency at peak times only works if the planes are there. When they are getting the extra aircraft from routes like EWR-YYZ that is massively late all the time then the "extra frequency" just contributes to misconnects, rebookings and standby pax which makes the whole problem worse.
TLDR: Switching to the E190 have reduced overall capacity between YOW and YYZ and their ham-fisted attempts to put extra aircraft on during peak periods is hardly helping.
As I've noted if they keep going like this during the winter we're going to see a lot more angry pax in this thread, including me. Having status with AC helps but when I walk up to the gate and there are already 10 people on the standby list...
Jun 25, 2017, 5:23 am
#58
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Ottawa
Programs: AC SE*MM/S100K; HHonors Diamond; a bunch of others at various levels!
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The 767 re-positioning on days when they are finishing / re-adding YOW-FRA isn't doing much for anyone. Specifically it isn't when you want it to be; e.g. late afternoon extra capacity on a Tuesday is not very helpful.
If you've been following along or if you fly YOW-YYZ you'd know their implementation is a bad thing. Total capacity is down, and as I've already pointed out repeatedly:
1. The extra frequency is only at certain peak times. When we've got IRROPS or a bunch of misconnects for other reasons outside of those times then these flights do nothing. Specifically, the last 2 flights of the day YYZ to YOW are a train wreck of trying to accommodate misconnects and oversold flights.
2. The extra frequency at peak times only works if the planes are there. When they are getting the extra aircraft from routes like EWR-YYZ that is massively late all the time then the "extra frequency" just contributes to misconnects, rebookings and standby pax which makes the whole problem worse.
TLDR: Switching to the E190 have reduced overall capacity between YOW and YYZ and their ham-fisted attempts to put extra aircraft on during peak periods is hardly helping.
As I've noted if they keep going like this during the winter we're going to see a lot more angry pax in this thread, including me. Having status with AC helps but when I walk up to the gate and there are already 10 people on the standby list...
If you've been following along or if you fly YOW-YYZ you'd know their implementation is a bad thing. Total capacity is down, and as I've already pointed out repeatedly:
1. The extra frequency is only at certain peak times. When we've got IRROPS or a bunch of misconnects for other reasons outside of those times then these flights do nothing. Specifically, the last 2 flights of the day YYZ to YOW are a train wreck of trying to accommodate misconnects and oversold flights.
2. The extra frequency at peak times only works if the planes are there. When they are getting the extra aircraft from routes like EWR-YYZ that is massively late all the time then the "extra frequency" just contributes to misconnects, rebookings and standby pax which makes the whole problem worse.
TLDR: Switching to the E190 have reduced overall capacity between YOW and YYZ and their ham-fisted attempts to put extra aircraft on during peak periods is hardly helping.
As I've noted if they keep going like this during the winter we're going to see a lot more angry pax in this thread, including me. Having status with AC helps but when I walk up to the gate and there are already 10 people on the standby list...
Jun 25, 2017, 5:27 am
#59
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Ottawa
Programs: AC SE*MM/S100K; HHonors Diamond; a bunch of others at various levels!
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I am taking the first flight out of LHR in order to get home in the early afternoon, instead of early evening for the direct flight. When I was SE100k, I could politely ask the concierge to watch for my arrival into YYZ and put me on standby for an earlier flight, but I haven't been able to do that for the last few months. I will sprint to the gate and ask for standby. As long as my LHR-YYZ flight is on time, I can make a flight one hour earlier.
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Jun 25, 2017, 6:50 am
#60
Join Date: Mar 2005
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At the same time it seems like capacity and service out of YHZ has improved dramatically. Ottawa baffles me considering it is our capital city and I would think it gets a lot of well paying government fares? I would expect it have much better service than it does, especially on the short jaunt to YYZ.
YQB is the other one. It is a city of a million people, but virtually no useful air service.
YQB is the other one. It is a city of a million people, but virtually no useful air service.