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AC No Longer Allowing Nexus as Sole Basis to Enter Canada?

AC No Longer Allowing Nexus as Sole Basis to Enter Canada?

Old Jan 9, 17, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer View Post
There certainly seem to be a lot of adamant opinions by people not bothering to look up official information: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/prog/nexus/faq-eng.html.

If you expect a hassle at the airport, bring a printout and hand it to the airline staffer.

If you are a Canadian or U.S. citizen, and a NEXUS member, you may use your membership card as proof of identification and citizenship when entering Canada by land, air (when coming from the U.S.) or boat when using non-NEXUS lanes.

NEXUS members can use the automated kiosks located in the U.S. Preclearance area and the Canadian inspection services area at participating airports.
There is absolutely no debate on this topic, but people keep saying the wrong things based on their experiences, which might be dealing with misinformed border guards and airline agents.

People seem to not trust airline agents for airline inventory space and a whole bunch of other stuff but their misinterpretation of TIMATIC rules seems to be unquestionable.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by dudestir View Post
My data point is a bit different.

Flew YYJ-YVR-LAX and had put my nexus in for the KTN. I arrived at YYJ and presented my passport at checkin. The agent didn't want to see it (she didn't even take it from my hand) she wanted and only used my Nexus as that's what I had entered online.
This has been my experience at SFO as well.

Several times the checkin agent specifically said they had to re-enter my passport as that was the document being checked at docs check time.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 3:48 pm
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In my experience if you enter Canada with a Nexus card, CBSA never checks your passport. You get a piece of paper at the machine and then that's it. I did need my passport to get back to the USA though. Air Canada and United always asked me for it to check in, but I never tried just checking in online (I always had a bag). I always had it with me, but found it odd that no one ever really checked it. I presume that since Canada knows just about everything about everyone coming into the country (including who paid for the ticket - and even 20+ year old scrapes with the law - not me but others), they decided that was good enough for them.

I'd never travel internationally without my passport though. Just thought it was odd that no one in Canada seemed to even check if I had it.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by BlueMilk View Post
If any reader thinks, after reading this thread, they could travel by air between Canada and the US without carrying a their passport--please think again.

That it has been done does not mean it's a great idea.

I barely trust my Nexus card alone for travel within Canada as insurance against a US diversion.
Best post of the entire thread ^

Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer View Post
There certainly seem to be a lot of adamant opinions by people not bothering to look up official information: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/prog/nexus/faq-eng.html.

If you expect a hassle at the airport, bring a printout and hand it to the airline staffer.

If you are a Canadian or U.S. citizen, and a NEXUS member, you may use your membership card as proof of identification and citizenship when entering Canada by land, air (when coming from the U.S.) or boat when using non-NEXUS lanes.

NEXUS members can use the automated kiosks located in the U.S. Preclearance area and the Canadian inspection services area at participating airports.
Or, instead of arguing with airline employees who may or may not decide to enjoy a little power trip at your expense, just carry a passport. You know, because you're traveling outside your country.

FWIW I've never been asked for my passport when entering Canada with Nexus. That being said, the travel document details I provide at APIS and during check-in are my passport's, and it's the passport that I show to airline check-in staff and TSA agents. Why? Because I'm outside Canada and have my passport with me. And because I don't have any particular desire to argue unnecessarily.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 4:26 pm
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Not everyone has a choice when it comes to carrying a passport for travel. I have had to travel with just a NEXUS because my passport was at an embassy being processed.

Please stop with unhelpful platitudes in saying that people should travel with their passport.

Are you going to suggest travel insurance as well?

No one has the time to go around picking a fight with airline check-in agents and border security just for kicks.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by keitherson View Post
Are you going to suggest travel insurance as well?
Uh... if travelling to the US? Yes. Yes I am.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by keitherson View Post
Please stop with unhelpful platitudes in saying that people should travel with their passport.
On the contrary, please stop with unhelpful platitudes in saying that people should travel without their passport.

As with much in life, it's not the rules that matter but how they're enforced. And one of the most fundamental covenants of international travel* is to have your passport with you. It's that simple.

*Let's put aside international travel within the Schengen region for the moment.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by ffsim View Post
On the contrary, please stop with unhelpful platitudes in saying that people should travel without their passport.

As with much in life, it's not the rules that matter but how they're enforced. And one of the most fundamental covenants of international travel* is to have your passport with you. It's that simple.

*Let's put aside international travel within the Schengen region for the moment.
And since when did anyone in this thread recommend people travel without a passport?

Like I said, as I have noted multiple times before in this thread, that sometimes you do not have a choice. And that a NEXUS does qualify as a travel document for international travel within and between the US and Canada, whether recommended or not.

It's also great to know that the rules clearly state that NEXUS-only travel is permissible, whether or not the rules are enforced. The rules are on your side even if some people might not be.

Originally Posted by BlueMilk View Post
Uh... if travelling to the US? Yes. Yes I am.
Thanks, your advice was really helpful. Maybe we can make a thread about how people should always travel to the US with travel insurance, even if you can travel without it.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 5:02 pm
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Originally Posted by ffsim View Post
Or, instead of arguing with airline employees who may or may not decide to enjoy a little power trip at your expense, just carry a passport. You know, because you're traveling outside your country.

FWIW I've never been asked for my passport when entering Canada with Nexus. That being said, the travel document details I provide at APIS and during check-in are my passport's, and it's the passport that I show to airline check-in staff and TSA agents. Why? Because I'm outside Canada and have my passport with me. And because I don't have any particular desire to argue unnecessarily.
^

I always keep my Nexus and passport in the same pouch. I'll show my Nexus but if someone asks for the passport, I'll gladly produce it for them. Don't need make a scene....its not the end of the world.

This thread makes me laugh.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 5:14 pm
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I think the only person who even mentioned a dispute was a member who has posted about being involved in many previous disputes at airports.
I appreciate ffsim's concern, but to be clear, I have agreed that carrying a passport is a good idea, I do generally carry mine along with my Nexus card and I have never been asked to produce supplementary documentation by either US or Canadian officials (just once by a UA gate agent).
Stepping outside the country without one's passport may be beyond the comfort level of some, so by all means tether it to your hip pocket. Due to ketherson's precise example in post #50, I spent several weeks outside Canada without my passport this year, and have no drama to report in terms of breaching any supposed 'fundamental covenants of international travel'.

This thread makes me sigh, not laugh. Anecdotal experience of misinterpretation of the rules has led some to espouse a hard line opinion, without referring to factual info helpfully posted on the CBSA website. Tis the FT way.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 5:24 pm
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I never use passport at GE preclearance in Canadian airports. As per post #39, the preclearance facilities accept them. I have never had issues, nor has anyone told me different. GE at other point of entry will not accept the NEXUS card.

I always have passport with me, always tucked in RFID-proof case deep in the bottom of my bag. I literally have to verify it is there periodically because I am NEVER asked for it by either US or Canada. However, I would never want to be unable to produce it.

Daughter (US/Cdn) was unable to use card in machine because the card did not have a US passport attached to it. US will only link US passport to GE if one has US citizenship, I guess. Had to use Cdn passport. Once she got US Passport, the card in machine worked.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 5:30 pm
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Originally Posted by keitherson View Post
Even CBSA officers and CBP officers will get the NEXUS details wrong.

If you are traveling for reasons outside of B1/B2, you must have a passport or a visa.

You can only use NEXUS only for air travel (as well as ground and marine travel) if you are entering under B1/B2.

I seriously cannot believe I have to do this but the specific legislation is here:

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/...0-0-15933.html


Anecdotes are really unhelpful because it only helps spread further misinformation.
B1/B2 only? Not in my experience -- I had a TN added and subsequently that appears on the GE screen as an option. I use my NEXUS card (not passport) at US preclearance, and the machine then spits out the "c'mon in" card with photo, and a second receipt which is that I94 card (must always remember to wait for the second slip of paper).
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Old Jan 9, 17, 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by keitherson View Post
Even CBSA officers and CBP officers will get the NEXUS details wrong.

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Anecdotes are really unhelpful because it only helps spread further misinformation.
No, they're really helpful because it tells you what you should expect. Like the CBSA/CBP officers "getting it wrong".

Originally Posted by keitherson View Post
People seem to not trust airline agents for airline inventory space and a whole bunch of other stuff but their misinterpretation of TIMATIC rules seems to be unquestionable.
No, we just don't want to pick a fight at the airport.

Originally Posted by ffsim View Post
FWIW I've never been asked for my passport when entering Canada with Nexus.
I have. The CBSA officer said that I was a resident because I'm Canadian, and I had therefore filled out the wrong section of the declaration card, and she sent me to secondary.

She was absolutely wrong. But if I hadn't had my passport, she probably would have ESCORTED me to secondary and grilled me for an hour.

Originally Posted by keitherson View Post
Please stop with unhelpful platitudes in saying that people should travel with their passport.

...

No one has the time to go around picking a fight with airline check-in agents and border security just for kicks.
Then carry your passport and hand it over when requested?

Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer View Post
This thread makes me sigh, not laugh. Anecdotal experience of misinterpretation of the rules has led some to espouse a hard line opinion, without referring to factual info helpfully posted on the CBSA website. Tis the FT way.
It's not a matter of what is technically allowed. If the airline denies you boarding or the US refuses to let you enter, go run to the media crying. I don't care. I'll be on board my flight because I brought my passport.

Information on the CBSA website is irrelevant if the officers don't care.

That is why the anecdotal experience of misinterpretation of the rules is important.

Carry your passport, and you avoid the situations where the airline employees and border guards don't know the rules.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow View Post
If the airline denies you boarding or the US refuses to let you enter, go run to the media crying. I don't care. I'll be on board my flight because I brought my passport.
To clarify: no airline has denied me boarding. No country has refused me entry. No-one at any airport has told me that I have insufficient documentation, or sent me to secondary, or that I'm wrong, or said I'm in the incorrect line, or that I'm using my Dad's status, or that I can't print out a boarding pass for a flight that day, or I'm too young to be SE, or any such misadventure. I've never felt compelled to follow up a grievance with any media, or CEO, VP, concierge or internet forum.

I flow through airports like water, and am the opposite of a drain on airline resources.
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Old Jan 9, 17, 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by ffsim View Post

FWIW I've never been asked for my passport when entering Canada with Nexus.
I certainly have been asked at Pearson. Nexus machines were acting up..I went to the agent sitting near there and gave him my Nexus card figuring he would want to see it. He just said "Passport, please" (well, without the actual word please)
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