New Routes coming; Update AC turned down for YUL - BEY route (10Jul17)
#16
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I also find it weird that it would be YYZ-BEY, everytime AC tried to launch this route it was from YUL, and BEY fits perfectly in their hub definition for YUL of targeting french speaking communities.
As for no 787 out of YUL, they do have YUL-PVG launching using a 788, and it was mainly that the 787 is "too much" of a plane for YUL right now in terms of range for european destinations, compared to their A330 fleet (albeit missing one for the next few months as per other thread)
As for no 787 out of YUL, they do have YUL-PVG launching using a 788, and it was mainly that the 787 is "too much" of a plane for YUL right now in terms of range for european destinations, compared to their A330 fleet (albeit missing one for the next few months as per other thread)
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I also thought that I read somewhere that they were increasing frequency to DEL and increasing capacity to DXB.
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Oh yes. I forgot about the announcement about BOM route. I don't remember the details regarding frequency increase on DEL. For DXB it's using 773 now instead of 789.
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Hard to imagine AC successfully completing with PR's low fares, more comfortable seating and better on board service to MNL. Especially when much of the target market is the Filipino diaspora that is already familiar with PR unlike "old stock" Canadians that only consider AC.
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Re fuel prices and parking planes:
Crude prices are still pretty low, so yes, AC has lots of flexibility. Plenty of new 789s still coming too. If 787s are needed for these routes and the new planes aren't enough, 763s can handle some of the existing routes. I'd have to look back at AC's past presentations, but I think the 763s are being retired more slowly than they might have forecast a few years ago.
If the new routes don't work out, park the 763s at very little cost and move on.
Wouldn't YYC-NRT-MNL be better?
Crude prices are still pretty low, so yes, AC has lots of flexibility. Plenty of new 789s still coming too. If 787s are needed for these routes and the new planes aren't enough, 763s can handle some of the existing routes. I'd have to look back at AC's past presentations, but I think the 763s are being retired more slowly than they might have forecast a few years ago.
If the new routes don't work out, park the 763s at very little cost and move on.
Wouldn't YYC-NRT-MNL be better?
#22
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I hope the OP's source isn't an AC pilot or FA. They gossip about routes the way teen boys gossip about their sexual conquests. You take it all with a huge grain of salt.
Also, it has been reported that AC and airport authorities in Tehran have had talks about a Toronto-Tehran route, and if I were AC, I'd rather be the first North American airline to fly to Iran rather than the first to serve its proxy state in Lebanon.
Also, it has been reported that AC and airport authorities in Tehran have had talks about a Toronto-Tehran route, and if I were AC, I'd rather be the first North American airline to fly to Iran rather than the first to serve its proxy state in Lebanon.
#24
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Re fuel prices and parking planes:
Crude prices are still pretty low, so yes, AC has lots of flexibility. Plenty of new 789s still coming too. If 787s are needed for these routes and the new planes aren't enough, 763s can handle some of the existing routes. I'd have to look back at AC's past presentations, but I think the 763s are being retired more slowly than they might have forecast a few years ago.
If the new routes don't work out, park the 763s at very little cost and move on.
Wouldn't YYC-NRT-MNL be better?
Crude prices are still pretty low, so yes, AC has lots of flexibility. Plenty of new 789s still coming too. If 787s are needed for these routes and the new planes aren't enough, 763s can handle some of the existing routes. I'd have to look back at AC's past presentations, but I think the 763s are being retired more slowly than they might have forecast a few years ago.
If the new routes don't work out, park the 763s at very little cost and move on.
Wouldn't YYC-NRT-MNL be better?
#26
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I am thrilled about the addition of BEY -- if true. However, like others, I am surprised that this is not being done from YUL. At any rate, I would suspect it would be 3x per week initially. I really hope it is mainline AC and not Rouge!
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I'll wait for the official announcement though if AC can do YVR-BNE wouldn't be surprised to see it try YVR-BKK where there's no competition instead of YVR-MNL. Just MHO of course and YMMV.
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I can definitely see YVR-BKK working, it would be the only non-stop flight from the Americas to Thailand. Many people in the U.S would choose this flight rather than connecting elsewhere in Asia/Europe.
I have heard rumours about YVR-SIN too but since SQ/UA added non-stop SFO-SIN, I don't know how viable this would be.
I have heard rumours about YVR-SIN too but since SQ/UA added non-stop SFO-SIN, I don't know how viable this would be.
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I can definitely see YVR-BKK working, it would be the only non-stop flight from the Americas to Thailand. Many people in the U.S would choose this flight rather than connecting elsewhere in Asia/Europe.
I have heard rumours about YVR-SIN too but since SQ/UA added non-stop SFO-SIN, I don't know how viable this would be.
I have heard rumours about YVR-SIN too but since SQ/UA added non-stop SFO-SIN, I don't know how viable this would be.
I would not be taking AC YVR-SIN if SQ already runs non-stop SFO-SIN, and AC probably knows many customers who think this way.