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flyquiet has graciously commenced with a compilation of recent data points with regard to the most recent targeted status buy up offer.

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Please post your data point offer below, as per the headings, and the comma delimiter.

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From AQM AQS AQD Offer Post#
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75k105% uns 88% 2499 N/A
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75K 70% 79% 125% no 238
 75K 76% uns 55% no 229
 75K 105% uns 53% no 210
 75K 116% uns 75% no 252
 75K 84% uns 47% no 254
 75K (unclear if given 50K or 75K, 64%, uns, 126%, no, 255
 75K uns 89% 85% 1599 129/162
 75K 81% 48% 92% 1299 151/160
 75k 83% uns 81% no 295
 50K 62% 88% 100% no 319
 50K 73% 41% 116% no 289
 50K 96% 74% 106% 899 266
 50K 80% uns 178% no 232
 50K uns uns uns 899 193
 35K 93% 46% 160% 899 125
 35K 88% 46% 133% 899 230
 35K 99% uns "enough", 799, 253
 35K 72% 31% 100% no ---
 35K 70% uns 100% no 181
 35K 61% 88% 264% 899 309
 25K 91% uns 150% 599 287
 25K uns 94% uns 599 123
 25K 71% 74% 200% no 195
 AC*A uns uns uns 499 127
 AC*A 79% 16% 104% 499 257
 AC*A 92% uns 87% 144
 AC*A 41% 8% 191% 399 258
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Old Dec 4, 16, 10:50 am
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AC to allow status buy-up

So I hear AC is going to let select 25k and 35k buy up to the next status level (25k-->35k, 35k-->50k), I kind of like this idea!

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Old Dec 4, 16, 10:54 am
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How exactly is this going to work? Do they let you buy missing AQM/AQS/AQD at a certain price, such that those who were closest to qualifying for the next tier pay less or will it just be some flat fee to buy up from one to the next?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:28 am
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Between this, and selling eUps, I don't even know what the point is anymore.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:40 am
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Selling eUps? You mean bidding on upgrades to J? Or did I miss an announcement that we can now buy eUp credits?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:41 am
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I wonder if they're let people bid for a higher Altitude tier...
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:42 am
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It's MATH TIME - Guesstimate Edition

OK, so let's use a 789 as an example.
30 J

1. Can anyone guesstimate how many of those 30 are actually sold?
2. Can anyone guess how many pax are willing to bid for some J seats?
3. Can anyone guess how many will still spend for a LMU if that's even available?
4. Can anyone guess if there will be any seats left for eUpgrades, which Altitude members received for flying a certain amount of miles and/or as select privileges?
5. If the assumed objective over at AC was to reduce the numbers of SEs by eliminating those who used to fly 100K for $500, what would the objective be in providing the option for 25K and 35K to buy up to a higher Altitude level - other than giving AC another stream of ancillary revenue?
6. If so, then why not offer 50K the chance for 75K, 75K the chance for 100K and oh maybe have 150K as the new 100K?

.......

Last edited by 24left; Dec 4, 16 at 12:39 pm Reason: coffee required prior to typing ;)
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:46 am
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
6. If so, then why not offer 50K the chance for 76, 75K the chance for 100K and oh maybe have 150K as the new 100K?

.......
Would your 76 get a minor benefit above a 75K?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:55 am
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Originally Posted by adam.smith View Post
How exactly is this going to work? Do they let you buy missing AQM/AQS/AQD at a certain price, such that those who were closest to qualifying for the next tier pay less or will it just be some flat fee to buy up from one to the next?
Given how AC is flirting with the upgrade bidding - as in similar implementation to other airlines, I suspect AC will make it a fixed price to buy-up to the next tier level. I suspect the price range will be $500 - $1000 based on what I have seen others offer in the past.


Originally Posted by adam.smith View Post
Selling eUps? You mean bidding on upgrades to J? Or did I miss an announcement that we can now buy eUp credits?
Nothing missed, I suspect he was referring to the eUp bidding.


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I wonder if they're let people bid for a higher Altitude tier...
Higher than 50K? I hope not.


Originally Posted by 24left View Post
It's MATH TIME - Guesstimate Edition

....

5. If the assumed objective over at AC was to reduce the numbers of SEs by eliminating those who used to fly 100K for $500, what would the objective be in providing the option for 25K and 35K to buy up to a higher Altitude level - other than giving AC another stream of ancillary revenue?
6. If so, then why not offer 50K the chance for 76, 75K the chance for 100K and oh maybe have 150K as the new 100K?

.......
Bell curve, get everyone in the middle where costs are stable and predictable and services can be provided by pretty much everyone. Make the added costs for providing SE privileges actually be paid for by the SE fliers I suspect.
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Originally Posted by YEG2MM View Post
Would your 76 get a minor benefit above a 75K?
Apparently I can't proofread so early in the day.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 12:51 pm
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Wish they let people buy status with Aeroplan miles or eearn AQM/AQM using CC spending
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Old Dec 4, 16, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by MasterGeek View Post
Wish they let people buy status with Aeroplan miles or eearn AQM/AQM using CC spending
Perfect holiday gift for those cc munchers, yes?
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Originally Posted by jaysona View Post
Given how AC is flirting with the upgrade bidding - as in similar implementation to other airlines, I suspect AC will make it a fixed price to buy-up to the next tier level. I suspect the price range will be $500 - $1000 based on what I have seen others offer in the past.
Doesn't make much sense to me. You'd charge the same price to buy up to E35K for the guy who flew 33K AQM as for the guy who flew 25,001 AQM?

It's possible, but AC talks about wanting to reward profitable and loyal customers, a fixed fee to buy up doesn't make nearly as much sense.

I also figure the profitability would be better on a program where you bought missing miles, or at least the fee was tailored to your AQM/AQS. If you set a fixed fee based on an average P25K buying up to E35K, let's say $1000, who's going to pay it? The 33K guy probably won't bother. The 25K guy will only bother if he knows he can extract well over $1000 of value out of it. Whereas if you make them buy missing miles, or graduate the fee (e.g. $200 for every 1K AQM you're short), you'll probably sell more and better match the costs and revenues.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:33 pm
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I agree with Adam. It doesn't seem to add up much. Especially for SE.

Like, if AC won't comp up to SE someone that has 99,000 AQM and $19,900 AQD, why sell the status for $1,000 to someone that is at 76,000 AQM and $9,100 AQD?


But, I guess it makes SOMEWHAT sense for slightly lower tiers. Especially after I looked this up.





AC would effectively be cross selling lounge memberships and a "status tryout".

I can imagine a tango P25K that could see $1000, as a good deal since they would buy full lounge access for like $500 and more priority services and eUpgrades for another $500.

So that's $1000 in AC's pocket.

P25K gets excited, and decides to start purchasing Flex + eUps, and to try to fly a bit more flex/miles to ensure E35K (or more) the following year.


The only things I don't understand are:

1. Do you really think that a P25K will care about E35K for $1000?
2. Do you really think that a P25K will alter his/her spending to offset some of the costs?
3. Do you really think that a P25K will exert any kind of effort to retain a higher status level?


BUT, TBH, if I was E35K, and they offered me E50K for $1000... *G access and priority worldwide... $665 is the cost of the membership for lounges, so I basically pay $335 for *G priority worldwide...
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by SparseFlyer View Post
I agree with Adam. It doesn't seem to add up much. Especially for SE.

Like, if AC won't comp up to SE someone that has 99,000 AQM and $19,900 AQD, why sell the status for $1,000 to someone that is at 76,000 AQM and $9,100 AQD?


But, I guess it makes SOMEWHAT sense for slightly lower tiers. Especially after I looked this up.





AC would effectively be cross selling lounge memberships and a "status tryout".

I can imagine a tango P25K that could see $1000, as a good deal since they would buy full lounge access for like $500 and more priority services and eUpgrades for another $500.

So that's $1000 in AC's pocket.

P25K gets excited, and decides to start purchasing Flex + eUps, and to try to fly a bit more flex/miles to ensure E35K (or more) the following year.


The only things I don't understand are:

1. Do you really think that a P25K will care about E35K for $1000?
2. Do you really think that a P25K will alter his/her spending to offset some of the costs?
3. Do you really think that a P25K will exert any kind of effort to retain a higher status level?


BUT, TBH, if I was E35K, and they offered me E50K for $1000... *G access and priority worldwide... $665 is the cost of the membership for lounges, so I basically pay $335 for *G priority worldwide...
Y not just pay for one of those CC that give you access for lower the cost anyways...
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Old Dec 4, 16, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by jaysona View Post
Higher than 50K? I hope not.
I didn't have any particular tier in mind, but you raise a good point -- there's got to be a cap somewhere otherwise it would be possible to buy your way to SE.

And as sparse alludes to above, AC has to be careful with the step-up costs they choose... too cheap and it's attractive to qualify for a lower tier and buy up, too expensive and there's no incentive to change purchase habits.
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